So, since HSS drive by attacks involve assigning a free action to make the attack, that's not legal either? Charge , Running Shot, and HHS option (2) also involve additional optional free actions. If I can only assign one action, can I use any of those powers in ways that involve the additional free actions?

You assign only one action. If that action results in other actions as explicitly outlined in the power invoked (as in the examples you sited) then they are resolved as part of that one action. What isn't allowed (and the source of this dispute) is actions not explicitly encompassed by the assigned action (SHIELD, Enhancement, Outwit, etc.). These count as separate action assignments, and are therefore disallowed by the MC rules.

Exactly thats why your aloud to MC someone and give them action's. Otherwise there would be no MC Chain. Becuase these are all action's inside other action's.

owww...my head hurts....

Anyway, MC allows you to give one action that the target figure can normally make as a free action. Once given, you follow all the normal rules for that action, with the exception of the token given for most actions.

If you give a MCd fig a RS action (for example), the MC gives the action for the RS. This is the only action that can be given by the MCer. However, the RS power gives the character an additional free action to use. Since this free action is given by the RS power and not the MC action, it is a legal combination.

Giving an MCd figure a MC action and a SHIELD action is trying to give the same figure 2 different actions from the same MC action.


Does that make sense.....?

I got lost right after you said owww. Could you repeat that?




Just kidding.

I understand what you're saying, but consider this:

MC in the PAC says that the figure becomes friendly to you.

The rulebook (glossary) indicates that friendly figures are figures that are controlled by me, or by one of my allies.

In a two player game, that means that the figure that is affected by mind control is controlled by me. This also makes sense because I make all of the descisions associated with the action(s) that the figure takes while affected by Mind Control.

If you do not agree that that control of the figure is changed, I would like to know why.

Since I control the figure, I should be able to assign actions to it. I typically cannot assign 'extra' actions to it because the initial Mind Control action is still in progress. SHIELD/Enhancement are normally exceptions to the restriction on taking actions 'out of turn.'

Limiting the actions that the Mind Controlled figure can take in the way that you describe means that there is a difference between 'controlled by me because I brought the figure' and 'controlled by me because of Mind Control' -- and that difference is not expressed anywhere in the rules or the FAQ.

I don't think that you're fabricating it, since there are other examples of rules/rulings that are not explicitly in the rules, but that are generally accepted:

A figure may not target an object or blocking terrain and a figure simultaneously.
(This causes problems because the mechanics for attacking objects and figures differ.)
or
Mind Control allows the assignment of a free action that can be used for any action that can be assigned while no other actions are taking place.
(This is necessary because Outwit and Perplex are prohibited from being used during other actions in the FAQ.)
or, apparently
Actions cannot be assigned to Mind Controlled figures.
(This is works because the action assigned by Mind Control is part of the Super Power, and therefore an exception.)

I don't think he said anything about limiting the actions the MC'd figure can take did he? Other than the fact they are limited to an action they could normally make.

I wish that when Wizkids rewrote the rules, they would have rewritten all the old team abilities at the same time.

OK, here is the error you are making, Nate. You are only reading part of the Mind Control power. Yes, it does make an opposing figure friendly. But that is not all it does. It also stipulates that you assign any MCed figure one free action. It does not say you may treat them in all ways like one of your own characters. It says assign them one action. This means you cannot assign them 0 actions or 2 actions. You may only assign them exactly 1 no matter what the action is. The SHIELD action may be different from other actions, but it is still an action. You cannot assign more or less than 1 action with MC. Ever. No matter what. This is nothing to do with how actions are assigned, which is your argument (because the SHIELD action is assigned in a unique way for non-free actions). It has to do with how MC works.

I will say it one more time for emphasis: You are correct in noting that the SHIELD TA assigns a non-free action in the middle of another action. You are incorrect in assuming that means you can use it with a MCed character based solely on it being friendly. MC still limits you to 1 total assigned action.

I'm sorry, but the title of this thread amuses me. Isn't a "McFlurry" something you order at McDonald's?

There is a lot of words here, gut not many that make sense....

and Where's Lancelot in all this? ah, granted, I do this work from my REAL WORK, so i cant chime in as quickly as psylockelover does (i really wonder where he s got all the time, with what betsy braddock in his arms)

anyway, on subject...

you use someone's Outwit, turn off a MC'd fig's power, YOUR ACTION ENDS! even just turning off a power using a power, it s over...so my suggestion is...

Attack whenever you can. if not, then do what you wish.

Actually, it is in the Rulebook.

Pg. 14 - Multiple Ranged Combat Targets
All characters show one, two, or three lightning bolt symbols beside their range value. The number of lightning bolts is the number of different targets your character may target with a single ranged combat action.

And

Pg. 25 - "target"
The character(s) against which an attack is being made or a power is being directed.

So you can only multi-target characters, not terrain.

Also from the rule book:

Yet another example of bad wording in the glossary....

Puppet master in your scenario is doing 2 actions in one turn, MC and Shield. If you consider it this way, He couldn't do both of these actions in one turn if he was not being MCed, so why should he be allowed to if he is being MCed. A better question would be, can he use Hydra and MC after being MCed. Hydra doesn't take an action or cost a token.