I've only been saying for the longest that you can't declare an attack with a face-down monster, and there have already been other other's before me.

Just because I dont list my Level in my Signature doesnt mean that I'm not above LV1 or 2....

Hardly makes a difference. 99% of judges will probably rule you can't. What frostbyte accurately points out here is that, since there is no black on white rule stating as much, if you happen to get that one judge that rules it differently, you could win or lose based on something that random.

It was like the megamorph + GMG issue. There is no black on white rule saying it isn't so and why, and as a result I saw several tournaments where that combo was ruled in favour of the player, when in fact a UDE rep said it wasn't so on the judge's list (abeit without explanation). That can make a major difference when you win a regionals that way, then get to nationals and the judge rules it the other way ...

I know that, what I I want to know is whether you can flip it back up if it was summoned that turn, or a battle position has been changed?

Ummm, I have posted on that as well.

Unlike Regionals, where Judges are typically from the same general area, Nationals can draw Judges from all over the country, and usually, it ends up being the same crew that worked together at some point before, so, you have a better communication network among them when it comes to Rulings, whereas Judges who are used to being together in the same area typically stay consistant, so if something is Ruled wrong once, chances are it will be ruled that way until someone comes along with the correct Ruling.

Most Judges at Nationals try to figure out the "trouble" rulings before the event so they can be consistant.

people need to use common sense every rule isnt written down becacuae most onlly need the basic rules and apply them thier.This is one od the situations

would someone just answer this guy email upperdeck and see what they say the card really isnt that great and its really making me mad no one has an answer to a confusing qeustion not saying i no the answer but surly someone has the correct answwer

Not true. If I say boys can use the rest room does that mean only boys? No. There is one card that could possibly be different. IMO it's in attack position and nothing is preventing it from attacking.

If I flip summon a flip monster, then play Darkness Approaches on it, you are only allowed one manual change per turn. Is flipping a monster from face down atk to face up considered a manual change or is it only if it actually changes mode from def to atk or vice versa?

This one should be an answer we can all agree on by mechanics. I remember playing flip flop using stuff like guardian sphinx, if it is attacked and goes face up, you can use it's effect on your turn to flip it face down then still manually flip it to atk mode. It's a bit different than that, but not sure if flipping it over is considered a manual change or not. Maybe it won't have to atk to get that 2nd flip in one turn since it's just going from face down to face up.

We aren't talking about "boys using the restroom". We're talking about a card that has been out since nearly the beginning of the game, where the Rule Book itself continues to state nothing to the contrary that ONLY face-up monsters on the field may attack. We already know that Total Defense Shogun broke the rules of "Defense Position" monsters that can attack.

This is just ridiculous how people try to suggest that common sense has no place in Yugioh, and ONLY written rules should be followed. Next thing you know, because it doesnt say cards removed from play can't attack, someone will ask that question.

I heard attacking with Removed From Play monsters was the pro thing to do.

So, from f/d ATK to f/up ATK =/= position change?

Just a heads up, I sent this question in on Monday about whether a face down monster can declare an attack if it is in attack mode, I also sent it in on Friday, since I had not seen it on the Judge list, and no I have not recieved a personal response on it yet, so I am still waiting to see if this will be answered or not. Possibly they are trying to get the answer from Konami since they are the ones that control the cards and I'm pretty sure this question has never came up before. As of writing this, and I just checked the judge list, there has been no response for this question.

You say common sense, but to me common sence is that if a monster is in attack position....it can attack.

No where does it say that ONLY face up monsters can attack.

This is getting ridiculously stupid.....seriously.

All the higher level judges will be ruling that you can NOT declare an ATK with a face-down monster. You may argue about common sense but the common sense that we use is based on what we have encountered.

Until told otherwise by R&D about this ruling, this thread will remain closed.