I'd like it if Uniques/LEs weren't retired, just the nons. What do you guys think?

Well, the unique MWs could be on the other side of the IS for all we know. Take the next set, for example. In the next set, there are no Liao figs likely, because Liao is on the other side of the "universe", and even as a Liao fanatic, I understand this and will not complain (unlike some people..), but will just build on another faction or something.

Here is a thought. What if some time down the road, they did a home clanbase set and make clan expansions? Would it make alot of sense to have the "old" uniques avalable? No, but they could be reprinted when the story came back

I was waiting for the official WK yes men (aka - the JEB) to show
up and give this lame-brained idea their seal of approval.
:rolleyes:

I WOULD support this IF and ONLY IF WizKids supports 5 events per month:
1 H2H
1 sealed
1 campaign
2 unrestricted

and have ratings for each.

This would work.

Your right, the effect on tournament play will small. Most of these units are marginally playable. The idea that rookies need access to older pieces is almost as laughable.

But with this new rule:

1. BMs will have to scour your units to check for banned pieces. This hauberk is banned and this one isn't. What to do when you discover a banned purifier in your army half way thru the tournament? Its more headache than what its worth.

2. How 'bout faction pure play? It just got alot harder. What would DF be without its maxims?

3. Now WK will be able to sell us a maxim MKII to put our DI schmidt MKIII in. Bad rules like tankdrop won't be going anywhere. We will just have to pay more to use them.

I am making this pledge, "I will spend not a dollar more on this game." My wife will like this since I have spent well over a $1000 on MWDA over the last year. This makes me one of those bad customers SYB was talking about.

SEND WIZTOPPS A MESSAGE. SKIP THE NATIONAL QUALIFIERS. This seems to be the only message they understand.

Wow, way to be a total jerk. That was totally unnecessary.

Did I say that I liked this change? No. I was presenting an option hopefully he could swollow and not hate himself for.

Look, Wilson.

I have played alot of games for a long time, including being a regular MTG player. I clearly remember when this happened with MTG, and the fallout from it.

THE GAME WAS STRONGER FOR THE CHANGE.

Look at it this way. For MW:DA to be a game that stays on the market, there HAS to be an incentive to buy more product. Simple as that.

Let me put my mighty brain to work for you.

Possible purchace drivers:

A: quality of figs make people try to "upgrade" their existing forces for play.

If a set was full of figs that were either the same, or strictly worse than figs already released, then what is the motivation to buy them if your existing figs are ok. The problem with that is that it will power spiral after a short amount of time (rifts anyone?).

B: Fluff players/Collectors

A relatively small percentage of the overall pie, and you can tell this by the # of figs sold on ebay for incredible amounts, like the SS Arrow. These are purchaced mostly, I would guess, by Hardcore tournament players, not casual gamers/collectors/fluff players.

C: Regular Tournament players
These cats are likely to purchace the figs they want from a set as singles in addition to a volume of purchace for the support figs. Also more likely to play Sealed/Booster. These guys will make up the majority of the buying if the MTG paradigm holds up, and by having the players occasionally rotate stock to keep up with "Type 2", more $ gets put into the pocket of Wizkids.

If Wizkids needs to do something like this to keep us buying, and keep themselves afloat, I can understand it. It does not mean that I like it though, like you assume.

IF Wizkids reprints some figs, so that some of my older support figs and Uniques are still useable in H2H and outside of Unrestricted, I will be OK with the move.

If they are just reprinting the figs and forcing me to buy the new ones just to have the correct symbol for the expansion I WILL FREAK OUT!!!

But if there is a straight up banning of the figs and they are TOTALLY useless for half the events avalable, THEN I would take offence.

In other words, lets see how this plays out, hmm?

My opinion, take it or leave it:

What is wrong with you people? No, I don't mean Wizkids, I mean all of you people complaining about them!
Wizkids puts a fair amount of time and money into supporting the approved play system, a system where they GIVE the players free prizes. And you have the gall to complain about the way they do that? Frankly, it reminds me of a spoiled child throwing a fit because their mommy didn't give them *enough* candy.

Think about this for a second: Would you reather have approved play and get prizes that aren't available elsewhere, with the restriction of what sets you can play, or would you rather have no approved play at all? No prize support, no LE's, no nationals, nothing. That's what most game companies do.

Try for a minute to remember two things: this change applies to approved play only, and Wizkids isn't a not-for-profit mech charity society.

And for those who want to call me a 'wizkids yes man', well, go ahead. Wizkids gives us more support than any game company EVER, I feel like they deserve a little bit of my support in return. Feel free to flame away.

Well, my apologies if I misinterpreted your meaning. You have to
admit, though, that the JEB has developed a rep as WK
apologists. I enjoy the game, like you do, but it's NOT perfect.

I did not say it was perfect. I said there are better solutions than rules changes most of the time, and that most issues can be resolved on the battlefield, tactically, not with a pen and eraser.

Please tell me how many armies at Worlds last year had pieces that would be forcibly retired.

The answer? Every single one in the top 8.

Hmmm... maybe because WK originally made a promise not to do this sort of thing. Maybe cause placing restrictions on what you can play is just bad form. Or maybe its just the crass commercialism of the idea.

Its just a bad move, sure to alienate alot of core customers.

PS- I hate candy and stupid corporate policies.

And is this really a bad thing?

One thing I LOVE about playing only T2 is that my decks change every couple of months, and the game says fresh for me.


Here is the one problem I can see:

When I switch to "the new Type 2", there are always a bunch of Extended players more than willing to take the old stuff off my hands, and trade the "the new Type 2" stuff for the old.

I just do not see this happening with MW, however. MTG has "seasons" that allow you to, in the course of a year, play T2, Block Constructed and Extended, so there is a market for the Older cards as well as the "tier 2" cards for block play, where there are less options.

My thoughts.

I do not think I remember a promise not to do this sort of thing. I do not think that restrictions on this sort of thing is bad form, because if there WERE restrictions on "broken" units like the SS Arrow, the game would be much better

I'll leave it.
The supported play system exists to help sell product. They're not giving anything away. The prizes are not some after thought tacked on to an expansion as a thank you for purchasing the produst. LEs are there to help boost sales at the end of the cycle for that particular expansion. The idea of winning a "free" prize is what drives the competition to keep purchasing boosters in an attempt to get that must have figure for their forces. There's nothing wrong with a company trying to make money, but this is not the way to do it.

Yes, it will drive sales for those who choose to remain in santioned play. I'm afraid that number will decline, however.

BTW, I would think the JEB would be against this kind of game redesign through rules changes. Isn't that their main point for existing? WK has admitted that one reason for doing this is game and unit control - something JEBs vociferously argue against.

I am NOT trying to start a fight, but it seems to give those who accuse JEBs of being WK shills some ammunition. But, please, speak for yourselves - I'm sure there is another reason that I'm not seeing.

The argument that it is good for the game may be true. That may also be true of any number of game 'fixes' or rules changes.