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Originally posted by gambit01 now thats just slander....you have no proff saying that he cheated or ever cheated....i mean comon that was completely uncalled for
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Originally posted by THE WORD SLANDER Please don't throw me around without knowing what I mean.
The judges mmost probably dealt with the ruling by what they call the 'players intetion' . Because it might be a cheating move, it might not, so they will take into account both sides of the story, and all the possible aspects they can consider and make a ruling.
Bahh! I have never met or even spoken to hans but i know many people who have. All of them agree he is a nice guy and a great vs player. I have read a lot about this incident and I beileve he made a mistake. However I think the mistake is a little shady. I think the punishment is right and Just. The thing i dont like is how pansyish the UDE is. But thats just me. I still respect Hans Hoh and will continue reading articles of his as everyone should.
Man...DQ with no money...after all of that hard work and traveling...For something that was not even cheating.I think it was all a misplay.I dont think that was right..I have played againts hans and he has always played right.Its not like him to "cheat" I think it was all a misplay...That same thing would had happened to me as well cause if the reign is still on the stack on chain to the reservist replaced.......whatever:(
Originally posted by FaLLeN HeRo For something that was not even cheating.
You cannot conclusively say this. The report states he put Answer the Call in the resource row before Shape was Reigned. I don't like it either but how can you misplay from there?
Originally posted by A-Rod Given there is now an official report, I just want to remind you guys that cheating is not limited to things like drawing extra cards or stacking your deck.
Doing something you know full well to be illegal, which the actions described certainly were, is cheating. Hans Hoh is not an intellectually stupid player and understands the rules. You do not make top 8 of a PC after using a new set for your constructed deck and then drafting it on day 2 without knowing how the accompanying rules work.
According to the metagame article, Hoh played golden archer, replacing it with answer the call. His opponent then used alfred, got reign of terror and bounced Shape. Hoh then switched a resource in play with the card he had just had returned to hand.
Not only is this an illegal thing to do in the first place, it is doubly suspect because Hoh had new game information since the time he had placed Answer the Call down (reign of terror giving him Shape), not to mention having Shape itself (which was in play at the time he placed down Answer the Call).
Is it possible that he did not understand the rules? Of course. Another scenario however is that he thought he would 'have a go' and see if he could get away with something that he knew to be technically wrong, but if caught he could easily feign ignorance over.
The last point is what I believe the issue should be. I have played other games in tournaments where the aim was to win by trying to do as many small illegal things as possible and hoping your opponent did not catch you. I don't mean drawing extra cards, I mean things like not losing force for Visage of the Emperor in SWCCG at the end of a turn, or not adding three threats when you moved to site 5 in LOTR. Even though the game rules and the cards stated that these actions were mandatory, the tournament rules meant that if one player didn't catch the other at the specific time the action had to happen, it was ruled not to happen at all.
Believe me, it is no fun for anyone involved. UDE has decided to enforce a higher standard on their players. This means you must look at every "technically" illegal action you take and realise that if you try to 'have a go' you risk being thrown out entirely.
I tend to agree with Alex here, maybe we should just quote that post every two pages or so.
For the record, Hans lost my respect in game 1 of that match anyway. Karl had Psimon out and he refused to conceed the damn match. Then he began to accuse Karl of having an extra card in hand, and in general he was being really petty until turn 9 when he scooped to boosted light. :/
Which doesn't really help when it comes to looking at this scenario. This is what happens when people try to play "the game".
What is funny is the opponent had Doom in play, so getting the resource sent back to the hand didnt really matter at that point. Maybe if the opponent didnt have the extra Reign and Paralysis, then it would have been a bit different.