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What's the difference between a dragger and a ghost writer? How would that distinction affect the viability of my roleclaim if the knock against me is that I haven't submitted a valid night action?
I'd like to know a bit more about you, D. You are probably the player we know the least about at this point.
Arguable.
What you do know is that I have a night power, since I was failed N2. Adam claims to have been the one to do it, I believe it was a JK based off of earlier posts.
You also know that I am town, as I was tested last night by Trip-J.
JTrips puts forth a good case against Adam. I hate near everything Immortal Raven has said or done today on top of the last minute switch yesterday and the feeling that lesser evidence against you was worth pursuing while greater evidence against Roy was not. Adam hasn't said anything today and needs to.
Ultimately, a good portion of me not switching my vote yesterday was because a Roy lynch would be much more useful to the town, especially if he flipped scum. The evidence was slightly stronger. I didn't like the way either of you handled the accusations but in fairness, you were busy.
This is all to say that I'm convinced you are town. None of the players I trust more than you or about as much as you have put forth any negative reads towards you and the two players that have are my top two lynch suspects so their accusations mean jack and squat even if there is some logic to the night action bit of their attack.
FYI dragger roles are common but easily faked by a common mafia role, the ghost writer. I think that's why the dragger claim isn't buying you a lot of credit.
But yeah. Adam or Raven. Probably both scum. Assuming there's a fourth mafia member...probably Darkstone. Maybe KJ. But there might not be a forth member and we have some time to figure it out.
I do not follow the highlighted text. Without knowing either of our roles, why would Roy's lynch have been "more useful" than mine?
What's the difference between a dragger and a ghost writer? How would that distinction affect the viability of my roleclaim if the knock against me is that I haven't submitted a valid night action?
Ghost writer is where you write a part of the write up.
Dragger is where you force a character into the write up.
Ghost writer is where you write a part of the write up.
Dragger is where you force a character into the write up.
Thanks. Could you (or anyone) find anything in the Nights 1 & 3 write-ups that look like they could be effects of the dragger? Like I've said, I have no idea what this would actually look like here.
I targeted Immortal_Raven night 1 and adam night 3. I submitted no night action night 2.
There are valid reasons to be concerned with JOH. Some of it feels like tinfoil, but that doesn't mean it's not worth discussing.
JOH: you started with a town read on Roy. That's not immediately alarming, but as your read slowly transitioned to scum on Roy, the progression wasn't easy to follow in your posts. There were a couple examples of you discussing Roy at length, primarily for his night actions and the controversy associated with them, where you'd arrive at a conclusion about his honesty (you felt he was probably being truthful), but not a conclusion about his alignment.
I had no idea what your read on Roy was until you lynched him instead of Sloonei. So the potential for a bus exists and must be explored. Please talk to me about these assertions and show me how your read on Roy developed in this game.
Should probably go back through my posts to address this but I'm going to give my memory a shot.
Distinctly remember thinking there was only one night of discrepancy on Roy vs Silver (N1) only for Silver to come out and correct me (N2). The initial discrepancy was basically "Roy says DB did a thing while DB says something else." That's explained away by a misdirect and DB's answer was confusing and overly defensive (typical DB). Roy coming out early faking an info gathering role is not typical Roy so I gave him the benefit of the doubt. At this point, since I'm assuming Roy was misdirected (particularly after DB flips after claiming town misdirector) and has claimed tracker (a damn near always included town role) I'm kinda assuming Roy was misdirected by the mafia and is the town tracker.
Then comes N2, where Adam and DS basically both confirm Roy as tracker, further solidifying my previous read as tracker. However, DB's town flip also means Roy went for a known townie, which makes me hesitate on the town part. But still leaning town tracker at this point with better targets like iirc, Raven and Quebbster and MP.
Then Silver basically says, no, those N2 results are wrong, too.
At this point, things get a little fuzzy because I had been drinking but you come in mini bull dancing and make Roy make himself look really bad. This either convinced me to vote Roy or keep a tentatively placed vote on Roy where it stood. At this point, I'm mostly thinking Roy is scum, tracker or no. There are other ways to "know" what Adam and Raven were up to, especially if one or both are scum.
Then comes the last minute switch to Sloonei. I consider it but decide to stay the course cause the only real evidence against Sloonei (night results) also applied to Roy (twice) and if Roy was scum, Raven and Adam probably were too whereas a Sloonei scum flip wouldn't do much for me. I was less sure Roy was scum after this move, particularly because Sloonei was around and did not really address the night result portion (i.e. the heart) of Adam's accusation. Still seemed like the best option.
"So you're saying if I change my avatar you'll remove your vote? "
This is the only mention I see. It's chummy and probably meaningless.
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Quebbster posts about RenegadeRoy:
"I take something from my target. Last night I got (paraphrased) fur clothes covered in soot from Immortal_Raven. That isn't very incriminating, but if I find something interesting on someone else I'll let you know.
change vote: Roy"
He wasn't especially engaged in most hunting discussion by his own admission. He did contribute to the Roy lynch as shown here.
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There's not much to talk about. Queb's only meaningful mention was a vote, and that vote was crucial in the eventual lynch. Combine that with my ID corroborating his neutral claim and I'd say he's an unlikely teammate of Roy.
Thanks for the response JOH, I'll mull over it. If you could, please state your own current perspectives of the remaining players with a reads list of some kind.
I do not follow the highlighted text. Without knowing either of our roles, why would Roy's lynch have been "more useful" than mine?
Roy flips town? Sloonei is at least an existing suspect.
Roy flips scum? Raven and Adam are likely scumbuddies with Roy.
Sloonei flips town? Back to Roy I guess.
Sloonei flips mafia? No idea where to go. Nobody really defended you and only JTrips advocating hard for lynching Roy over you such that it could be considered a defense. I liked everything JTrips was saying so that wasn't nearly as enticing as two more solid scummers in Adam and IR.
Thanks. Could you (or anyone) find anything in the Nights 1 & 3 write-ups that look like they could be effects of the dragger? Like I've said, I have no idea what this would actually look like here.
I targeted Immortal_Raven night 1 and adam night 3. I submitted no night action night 2.
There's a Santa handing out Coke on night 1 and 3.
Thought that Santa got killed on night 1 but then you claimed dragger and there was a drag or ghost write in night 3.
Who you hit (assuming you are being truthful, which I am) is hard to address as we are all Santas.
What do you think of my assessment of adamical, and how do you feel that case compares with your own inclination to lynch Raven?
I have no objections to the things you said about adamical and I'm looking forward to his response. I think either one of them (adam or raven) would be good lynch options today, but we've only just begun. I think the way Raven came out so strongly against me today even after Roy flipped scum makes him look pretty bad, and I don't find his posts to be convincing.
If the push against me at the end of the day yesterday was a scum ploy and all three of them were involved then it was a fairly bold one. I don't think it's improbable but I don't know enough about this community or the individual players involved to comment definitively on how likely or unlikely it would be.
Thanks for the response JOH, I'll mull over it. If you could, please state your own current perspectives of the remaining players with a reads list of some kind.
Sure
Jack - Magnificent forest green
JJJ - Green
Sloonei - Green
Af - Lime Green
Quebbster - Yellow (considering the likelihood of him being mafia)
Darkstone - Yellow
KJ - Orange
Raven - Red
Adam - Red
I have no objections to the things you said about adamical and I'm looking forward to his response. I think either one of them (adam or raven) would be good lynch options today, but we've only just begun. I think the way Raven came out so strongly against me today even after Roy flipped scum makes him look pretty bad, and I don't find his posts to be convincing.
If the push against me at the end of the day yesterday was a scum ploy and all three of them were involved then it was a fairly bold one. I don't think it's improbable but I don't know enough about this community or the individual players involved to comment definitively on how likely or unlikely it would be.
We see a heavy scum push at lynch or lose. With vote stealing, lawyers or vote negatives being pretty common, lynch or lose is sometimes closer than it appears.