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I only know what that is because I saw in on The Colbert Report a couple days ago.
I am from Arkansas (Bentonville, while on the other side of the state, is the birthplace of Wal-Mart, founded by Sam Walton, who "chooses" Dr. Thunder).
It's just different perspectives. I've been on both sides of it. When I first started, I played for fun. Then I got better and played to win. It's ok if you are in a group that also plays to win. However, if you aren't and you're the only one doing it, you'll kill the local scene. There's a fine line to walk where you can play to be competitive but also let everyone have fun. Personally, I hold back my Playing To Win for whenever I play at larger tournaments, which has worked out pretty well for me in the past.
I've also said a number of times, again usually with Magic, that if your local metagame is such that everyone or most everyone is into that kind of thing, absolutely go for it. But be mindful of where you do it, because in all my years of playing Heroclix I've never seen a venue that could do it sustainably. Several places have decided "We're going to play REAL Heroclix here, where everyone plays to WIN!", but I don't think that model can last for long. It creates too much hostility, at least in my experience. Again, if it works for you and the people you play with, excellent. But I think the reason it works better in large tournaments is that you don't have to deal with those people week after week.
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If I was the kinda guy who put things like this in his sig, I'd put these things in my sig.
It's a weird mix of velocities at work today. The imminent holiday saw a large chunk take the day off, others come in for just a chunk of the morning before either already or soon scooting away. Aside from them, though, there are a few people who are in the thick of matters that must be completed today. Most unfortunate of all are those who thought they were in for a relaxed slide into a holiday weekend but instead, were tapped by a client who wants Heaven and Earth rearranged (retroactively, if possible) to suit them. Delays will not be tolerated!
At the moment I'm dodging in and out of tasks that aren't due today, but which I don't want to be waiting for me as high attention items come Tuesday morning.
Several questions have been coming my way, distracting me.
Can't say I've read the book or even heard of the guy really, but I'll just quickly say what I always say when people start to get like that (or at least, I used to before I gave up trying to talk to them).
I don't buy the "people who play for fun are depriving me of my fun and are being selfish" argument. It simply comes down to "my fun is more important than yours, so screw you if you don't play my way". Not okay. If you can't play the game in a way that more people than just you can enjoy, don't play. Or find a game where you can. Your fun does not take priority over everyone else. You complain about people trying to dictate how you have to play the game, then you immediately go and do exactly that to everyone else. It's hypocritical and short-sighted, because I've seen "play to win" people drive entire communities away from games before, and then you don't play at all.
Of course, VGA's response was invariably to ignore me because he wasn't real good with arguments that went two ways.
A-friggin-men. Some people are just unbelievably selfish. They don't care about driving away players from the venue by being jerks or hard to get along with, as long as THEY get what THEY want, they're satisfied, and screw everyone else. And they are totally stunned when people don't show up every week so that they can get crushed. They call them bad sports, when really, these jerks are the bad sports.
The reason VGA wasn't good at 2 way arguments is because he firmly believed that he was right, without question, and that people who said things in contrast to that were just breathing hot air.
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In Magic, and in particular in the format that I play in which involves mostly games with five or six players, there's a deck archetype called "group hug" that attempts to win by gaining friends through symmetrical effects. Which is to say, instead of using a card that says "draw three cards" I'll use an effect that says "each player draws three cards" so I can make friends, strengthen everyone's board position so no one person can dominate the game, and then wipe everyone out with some kind of crazy interaction all in one burst later in the game.
Most people love to play against group hug decks because they enable everyone to do amazing things with their decks that you would almost never see otherwise. A few spoilsports HATE that archetype though because they don't consider it "playing to win", so what could the point POSSIBLY be? On a few occasions I've had people flat-out refuse to play in a game where someone was using that kind of strategy because it's "pointless". I've made it very clear that my best experience playing Magic in recent memory was using that deck in a game that I lost. It was great fun for everyone because of the crazy, impossible plays that everyone was making. I don't think my enjoyment of that game would have been increased even slightly had I won. It's just not the point sometimes.
Again, some people just can't understand the concept of everyone having fun. They're sick individuals because the fun that they have is derived from the losses of others. Don't get me wrong, winning is fun, sure. But there's so much more to it than that. I've had plenty of games that I've lost and had a blast playing. Other people would say I'm crazy because, well, "you lost! How is that any fun?" They immature, selfish jerks.
The Ever Growing Trickster and Pied Piper KO List!
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Not removing this until we get Clock King and The Rose-01/23/11
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A-friggin-men. Some people are just unbelievably selfish. They don't care about driving away players from the venue by being jerks or hard to get along with, as long as THEY get what THEY want, they're satisfied, and screw everyone else. And they are totally stunned when people don't show up every week so that they can get crushed. They call them bad sports, when really, these jerks are the bad sports.
The reason VGA wasn't good at 2 way arguments is because he firmly believed that he was right, without question, and that people who said things in contrast to that were just breathing hot air.
Again, some people just can't understand the concept of everyone having fun. They're sick individuals because the fun that they have is derived from the losses of others. Don't get me wrong, winning is fun, sure. But there's so much more to it than that. I've had plenty of games that I've lost and had a blast playing. Other people would say I'm crazy because, well, "you lost! How is that any fun?" They immature, selfish jerks.
I say the same thing about people who restrict non-unique duplicate figures.
I say the same thing about people who restrict non-unique duplicate figures.
Throw in something about munchkins deserving to be beaten with a sack of doorknobs for busting out the 4x OOTS and 4x AA Questions in friendly games and I'll agree.
Longest-Reigning Drunken HeroClix Champion - anyone got a liver?
As long as he was happy (which meant he'd beaten someone through any means necessary and played super competitively), that's what mattered.
By a similar token, bestowing junk shots on their fellow 'Realmsers was something that made GroovyBoy and his pals happy. Of course, it was all in good fun, but, at the end of the day, a boot to the jewels is still a boot to the jewels. Would have been awesome to see VGA's and Groovy's two happy-inducing behaviors to converge at a con at some point.
By a similar token, bestowing junk shots on their fellow 'Realmsers was something that made GroovyBoy and his pals happy. Of course, it was all in good fun, but, at the end of the day, a boot to the jewels is still a boot to the jewels. Would have been awesome to see VGA's and Groovy's two happy-inducing behaviors to converge at a con at some point.
Well, at last year's WW Philly, I was on a Quizzo team named "VGA's Sister." I'd have liked to see him try to chuck me down a flight of stairs.
Longest-Reigning Drunken HeroClix Champion - anyone got a liver?
Throw in something about munchkins deserving to be beaten with a sack of doorknobs for busting out the 4x OOTS and 4x AA Questions in friendly games and I'll agree.
lol...why? They (presumably) paid for em.
You already know my philosophy on it doesn't involve the usual munchkin definition of why people can and should play dupes, so for me it's a 'goes without saying' kinda deal.