"keep out most"?


I thought Super Senses only worked one third of the time?





He does look good though!

(Is Marvel still any good?)

Speed Force!

U Flash 101
V Flash 98
V Kid Flash 81
V Jesse Quick 68
Piercing Armor 10 (4X)*
Iris West 3
Linda Park 3

394 points

* I'll likely take one of those out and add Damage Shield for Jay or Jesse, pending its cost and if the prequisites in the rumor mill turn out to be right.

This is where I get to drop the HAMMER on Mojilnor (boo my bad joke).


In Bart's earlier appearances, Bart ACTUALLY was Faster than Wally. Then Wally absorbed the Speed Force or emersed him self in it. Basically he transcended it like Max does, and got Expotentially faster (Terminal Velocity).

Johns also recently slowed Bart down (Jericho-ControlledDeathstroke+Shotgun=Ouch.. .)

Experience ain't got noth'in to do with whether you can hit a stationary target or not, and to Impulse, practically anything is stationary. Afgain, I'm not saying he should be uber, just that a 9AV does not reflect his ability to accurately punch things.

I don't think that made him any slower (after he healed of course). Wally's broken his legs too. Doesn't seem to matter much to Speedster in the long term.

well hey, the first Iron Man had a 9 AV, which made me wretch. Bart's just a kid. That's why I love the character. He's not supposed to inflict damage on..say Ares.

I love the sculpt..it's a great pose that really reflects back on the attitude of the character. I don't think that his Move should be higher than the Vet Flash however.

Bart ISN'T faster than Wally. That being said, I'll play the figure and feel good about that High Movement with HHS. The only thing that Bart has on Wally and every other Super-Speedster is his photographic memory. Because of that his potential pretty much limitless.

And he can't. He only deals one damage. Ares has Impervious. No damage dealt. He has a decent chance of hitting him though if he takes a swing (although Ares defense is high enough that even a 10-11 AV wouldn't give him a great chance of hitting).

But Wally IS faster than 11 MV. When they DO make a Wally Clix, he'll have to have around a 14-16 MV starting, which is odd since the KC Flash only has a 15 MV, but I wasn't behind that choice either. Jesse Quick had 12 MV too, so it's not like Imulse is the first to tread there.

Armor Piercing.

There's also Identity Crisis. It looks more like a deal where DC is speeding up Deathstroke's abilities moreso than slowing down Bart or Wally.

Anyone can take Armor Piercing, that's really not relevant. Cyborg couldn't really hurt Ares, but he has 10 AV. Armor Piercing is Armor Piercing. I would suppose that if Bart had some kind of magical attack that could pierce Armes' armor then he COULD easilly hit him with it. If Bart had a Kryptonite dagger he COULD easilly stab Superman with it.

Again, while, at his default level, Impulse would not be able to damage a Superman or Ares (and thus shouldn't have high Damage), he WOULD have a very good chance of hitting them with whatever attacks he could muster, and thus he SHOULD have a relatively high AV.

I really don't understand the arguement that age should equal AV. How does that even work? AV is the measurement of how likely you are to hit the opponent. It shouldn't have anything whatsoever to do with experience.

A young Bullseye or Arrowette would have a MUCH better chance of hitting a target than and aging Starman or Wonderman, so why shouldn't their AVs be higher? Certaintly they'd get better with age, a Vet of a certain figure should generally have a higher AV than the rookie, but when comparing two different characters, their relative ages and experience shouldn't have ANYTHING to do with their relative stats.

The only thing that should factor into that is how powerful/skillful they are in compairison to each other.

No, that was Meltzer, not DC. Johns promptly debunked that scene in the next issue of Flash, saying that he had just felt "off his game" or something. It was just a poorly writen scene to justify Deathstroke being a threat to that particular collection of heroes. There's no GOOD reason for Wally to have run into his sword like that.

The scene with Bart worked though, because he stopped moving, and Deathstroke had a shotgun. Bart, unlikely Wally, is not capable of stopping time relative to himself the instant he feels the warmth of a bullet against his skin. Wally DOES deserve a 17-18 DV.

But that's the thing: somehow, after nailing Deahstroke with 30 or 40 punches in a single comic panel, Bart still hadn't managed to actually DROP Deathstroke. Just because you can hit something doesn't mean you know how to hurt it. When Bart pops someone a couple dozen times before they can even blink, it's because it looks cool for a speedster and is dramatically appropriate in a comic book; real world physics have absolutely nothing to do with it.

A 9 AV is fine with me.

Maybe they should have given Deathstroke Toughness instead of Willpower. I think Willpower suits him better though.

Also, that still doesn't explain what age and experience is supposed to have to do with AV.

Well, both of those sound like "off-days" for Bart and Wally, under Geoff Johns' rationale, which I'm surprised that you would accept in the case of Impulse getting his knee blown off.

As an aside, your posts show your knowledge of the speedsters is very vast. It sounds like you have the knowledge that could only be accumulated through collecting and re-reading all of the Impulse series and the current volume of the Flash. You know who can phase and who can't anymore and what kind of projectiles they can dodge and so forth.

What that leads to, though, is the high likelihood you would be disappointed with Bart's click anyhow. I've read a lot of his appearances (a year's worth of his own title, most of Young Justice, Teen Titans and elsewhere), but not enough to pick up on the nuances of his abilities. I don't know what JonL's references were for Bart Allen, but he would have had to read a lot not to meeting your expectations on the figure.

And somewhere in there, I was trying to be complimentary. All that knowledge you've got is nifty.

Look at the comic stories themselves. The members of Young Justice and the younger JSA members are rarely treated as equals to their adult counterparts. How many times are they regulated to staying at HQ or given "safer" duties like the medical unit in OWAW while the JLA and the adult JSA members head to the frontlines? Or how about the Grant Morrison JLA tryouts, where Max Mercury and Supergirl show up as candidates, but not Impulse and Superboy.

If the AVs of these younger heroes should be on par with the adult heroes, then why aren't they written to be on par in other ways?

Love the figure.
Stat ####.
Any name Vet. clix with 9AV are consider wortless to me.
Troia suppose to take on Superman droid by herself(end up dying ofcourse), took on one of the most powerfull god like being in 'Who is Donna Troy' chapter, have as much experience as Arsenal and Wally Flash, Lead the Titans several time, and as strong as her sister. And still have 9 on her AV vet. dial.
Dove, Hawk, Changeling all got 10 on their AV vet. dail. Are they suppose to have more experience or stronger than Troia.