I guess I can see folks liking V Demon, but I rarely find the points for him. Etrigan makes it easily though. I had a fun team of V Hellboy, V Blue Devil and LE Etrigan. Sort of a "From Hell With Love" team.

And as for my comment about people getting cut, I meant from the overall list (of which we only have part 1, so we only know tha HMs were cut so far).

I have to say that I don't expect Roy Harper to make the grade. Sure, he's a nice damage dealer to start but most anyone can hit him and neuter him. Granted, if he gets in his 39 points worth before they hit him then there you have it. Just a bit too fragile for my tastes (although he's great on a PD theme team).

And as much as I like him, I doubt we'll see Hal on the list. I love that he has close combat effectiveness mid-dial, but most everyone I've seen thinks that a Hal Jordan figure should just be trick-shotting from amid his GL bus of Stealthy, Perplexingly Enhancing Supporters. I like playing my GLs like the loner space cops that they are in the comics so often. I'd also be surprised if Kurt made the top tier. He's not bad but most everyone I know reaches for the U Nightcrawler instead (granted, not everyone has one...).

I'm thinking Nebula won't make the list, and probably not Rupert either. Nebula just isn't worth it in my book (her Vet sees all the use) and while Rupert is a direct upgrade on his REV he's too rare and his range is too short to expect to pull off many triple Incap attacks.

I think Madam Hydra and Ghost Widow are locks for the top 10. They are just too good at what they do. I will understand if Ms. Foster makes the list, although I dispise the figure. I've hated Support since the game started (and haven't seen it enough since the semi-nerfing it took in recent rules changes to decide if I like it now or not) and that is all Jane brings. She's quite good at it, but that's it. I'd much rather have Ghost Widow or Dr. Mid-Nite and have more options. But I know how people love their Jane (or at least used to). Betsy is also a prime cantidate. She was amazing when she came out. I especially liked folks who used her in conjunction with Sentinels as a traitor/hound mutant to help wrangle the others since she lacks the X-men TA. She's an all-round nice little piece, even if she has that sculpt. *shudder*

I haven't seen a lot of Armor Wars LEs in use, although I know Jeanne-Marie saw action before the Hypersonic change (gotta love a flying free-attacking piece). I did have some luck with Ultron-13 in an odd match where I had to use a team my opponent created. He was more useful than I expected. Got to his Defend/Support click and won me the game thanks to sharing that sweet 18. Dunno if he'll rate one of the best, but he is an interesting figure. Similarly I haven't seen NGN Iron Man in action enough to fully appreciate him although I like his dial and rate him near the top for figures named Iron Man. He does sport the best attack value of the lot.

Boy, I sure can get long-winded when I'm stuck on-call fixing servers late at night. Guess I'll clam up for now and say that I can't wait for part 2!

I guess it's just that 12 speed that makes me love the V so much..there are very few characters who have a natural 6 speed Charge.

Yeah I'm not quite sure he'll make it either. It seems like people either love him or hate him. I, personally, love him. I have great luck(and/or skill) at getting him onto his prime click and it's won me a few games.(It is particularly deadly with a Darkseid ) And I'm usually able to have him do some pretty good damage before he gets there. And that late dial Mastermind can be very annoying for your opponent at the end of the game when he is trying desperately to get a 150 points for the kill.

Oh, I hear ya. I just never seem to find the 12 points that want to wait until turn 3.

What's great about him though is you aren't waiting until turn 3 to get use out of him. With ESD and Enhancement he can both be hard to hit on his activation click as well as helping out his teammates...once he gets pushed THEN he gets dangerous on his own...but at first he can be very useful on alot of teams.

Often times I'll put Double Time on him also...it not only helps at the beginning but can be used with L/C and is good to get away and heal if that is your strategy.

Not to mention that extra click of life!

Wait, the Vet is more than 100 isn't he? At 31 points more than the LE he definitely doesn't fit most of my teams. Granted, you do get 2 clicks more of life (one of the enhancing activation click) frontloaded on what is more or less Etrigan's dial, but if someone tags him for 3 clicks even hitting the 17 from range he is more or less a much more expensive Etrigan.

But again, I'm not saying the Vet is useless. I think it has pretty specific uses given the sheer cost and that the LE is easier to fit on teams and more direct to play. If V Demon works for you then keep on keepin' on.

I'm not saying Vet Demon is useless either; he's a great buddy for DOOM on a massive-points WC team. But as with Mr. P, I find the extra cost in points advances the Vet Demon further up the chain of 'who from my team must hit first'...and I find it hard to get the Vet Demon 'into the fray' without seriously risking him either (a) being pushed...and just standing around, or (b) just sitting on that vulnerable first click...say if he got carried as part of a flier's running shot.

You know, I never really looked at Cain. He is a beastly brick! And you can go old school for an X-men arcade game boss team using:

LE Cain Marko 155
E Wendigo 61
E Blob 42
V Pyro 42
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total 300

For a 500 point game you can downgrade Blob to rookie and add E Mystique and Ultimates Magneto. Then you can say "X-Chickens!".



Edit: Oooooooo!

Or to more simulate the arcade game you could use V Magneto as Mystique (since she was mimicing him in the game... somehow). You can still squeeze into 500:

155 LE Cain Marko
144 U Magneto
103 V Magneto
40 R Wendigo
31 R Blob
27 R Pyro
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500 total

See, that seems to be the case with these FF LE's. There are some really good pieces but they generally all seem to get lumped together and given a clollective bum rap due to the whole LE/SR situation. Since there are tons of them around, they may not be worth much from a dollar perspective, but with regard to their playablity, Norman and Cain are top-notch. I'd put 'em there against anybody.

I was thinking that myself. I remember that no one was very enthusiastic about them at the time since there weren't different SR dial colors and there were so few figures. But yeah, I hate facing Norman. He eats my theme teams. I once faced him, an old school Super Skrull and a V Nebula all on the same team. I was shot to pieces very quickly.

Well he's the Mystic I usually use on my uber Wildcard teams and those teams usually have a good Defend character on them also. Oh also worth noting that V Demon has that sweet 4 damage click also.

The majority of the FF LEs are actually quite good. Cain Marko, Norman Osborn, and Sue Storm are, of course, the cream of the crop...followed closely by Kurt Wagner..then Reed Richards, Ben Grimm, and Namor all have their advantages also. Johnny Storm sucks horribly though...like one of the worst LEs of all time...