Why are you defending it? Because you have to. Not because you want to go out and kill people, or slog through concentration camps.

I have the first issue. He signs up, because he believes it morally necessary to make a stand. Not because he wants to go kill anyone.

He still didn't have to.
Having to sign up means that someone is forcing you to do so, and there will be grave consequences (prison or worse) if you don't.
Voluneering means you sign up because you want to sign up. Because you feel it is something you should do, not because you are being forced to.

By that same token then, no one is ever forced to do anything. You can't force anyone to do anything, no matter what the consequences. They always choose that path because they do not care for the alternatives, but they still choose that path.

Maniac, I always love what you have to say because your one of the biggest Cap proponents on these threads, but Steve definitely did want to go to war because he was just that dedicated to America, and was willing do anything to denfed it, (which is why Civil War failed so miserably). Actually, don't forget that Steve was the only one the government saw fit to take the test because of his passion, and Steve did face death in just taking the SSS, which is why the gov. was not even going to test it until Steve came along. Does that give reason for Cap to die? Absolutely not, especially the way Cap went out; it didn't bode well with me. But, Brubaker is on record saying Cap was his favorite hero, so at the very least of being a hypocrite, we'll probably see him back in the last issue of Bru's contract.

Oh, I'm not saying he wasn't willing. But one of the arguments is that Hulk had it forced on him, Steve just choose it willy nilly.

If the Hulk was 'forced' to build a gamma bomb and run out to save Rick Jones from it, Steve was 'forced' into military service.

Both men chose their path because they believed it was necessary, as the consequences were to terrible to contemplate otherwise. Even knowing what would happen, Banner would have still run out to save Rick. Right along with Steve still would have chosen the path he did even knowing how he would die.

When you get right down to it, there isn't really such a thing as being forced to maked a choice. I'm simply playing 'devil's advocate' as I take issue with 'good soldier' vs 'poor misconstrued innocent'.

The astounding difference here is that while Steve Rogers did choose for a military carreer, Bruce Banner did not actually sign up to be mutated into big, green/gery person of mass destruction.

It's like saying that by having his planet blow up, Kal-el chose to become Superman.

I think Hulk dying would make a great storyline, because then Hulk would be pissed in hell, and would Fight his way through. How about Eternally Pissed Hulk sotryline?

Ah, okay maniac, that makes more sense. Sorry, I missed the Hulk comment earlier.

The Thing didn't want his role, but he manages.

I can't sympathize with characters like Hulk, who really aren't heroes. At least with someone like Captain America or Superman or Batman, you know they'll try to do good; with the Hulk, you're not sure what you'll get. Hulk's a threat (which also answers the thread's question).

Sorry Steve fans but Cap all the way on this.

A) Since he is an engineered soldier replacing Steve with another America makes more sense. The Hulk was a freak lab accident and having it reoccur with the same results to create a new Banner doesn't work nearly as well.

B) Captain America's death symbolizes current political trends and makes a statement. The patriotic motto of "Liberty or Death", has now become "Homeland Security over Liberty". A change of one Captain America for another. They can bring him back again once America becomes re-accquainted with its true values.

That's pretty much what I was gonna say, tho, that bit about Superman wasn't on my mind, it makes for a nice comparison.

Don't forget Bruce choosing to become Batman, by having his parents shot in front of him!

Arrgh!
Captain America: The Chosen is OUT OF CONTINUITY.

Actually, I think it is in continuity, but it takes place shortly after Cap had been shot, but before his actual death.

Tho, to be honest, when I started reading it, I starting thinking it might've taken place back when the Super Soldier Serum was actually killing him.