HAhahahahaha did I just see someone get ticked and claim someone ripped off their spoiler? Hahahahaha - dude nobody cares!

Well, that's just a lame idea, really. Unless...



I don't necessarily mind change, as long as it isn't a stupid change. This, seems like it would be a stupid change, though I'll give the benefit of the doubt until it comes out.

I find that lately DC wants to change too much all the time, and Marvel wants to eradicate any ounce of change.

How could you forget the biggest part of the spoiler
wait. Forget the spoiler tags! I'm just going to come out an ruin it for everyone.
That he comes back in a few months time in a black jumpsuit, with a silver bat-symbol on it, rocking a sweet bat-mullet!

Anyway.

My thoughts on the Thomas Wayne thing. Here's my problem. It's not some random crossover, it's supposed to be a CRISIS.
Lets look at the past Crisis's villains shall we?
Crisis on Infinite Earths - Anti-Moniter
Zero Hour: The Crisis in Time - An insanely suped-up Green Lantern
Infinite Crisis - An alternate reality version of Lex Luthor and two (2!!!) alternate reality versions of Superman.

Somehow "Batman's" dad just doesn't fit with the above, so here is what I'm thinking. It's one of three things.
1) The quote, unquote spoiler is just DC f-ing with us.

2) "Thomas Wayne" does make an appearance, but in reality it's due to the real villain of F.C. faking it to mess with Batman and take him out of the equation (plus throw all of us off into thinking they have brought back Batman's dad). Of course with this theory it would need to be someone who knows Bruce is Batman, so you know thats what? Like half the DCU?

3) It's true and D.C. and Morrison have gone nuts

And in eradicating change, they are making greater changes than the Original Crisis did. At least DC changed thier entire history, which easily explains why some stories never really happened. By eradicating changes to just one character all of the other characters are subtily altered and stories are invalidated even though they are still canon.
Personally, I like the Crisis titles and I like major change. I just want dead to mean dead. If Batman dies, leave him dead. I'm actually hoping that Barry Allen doesn't come back, unless it is an untold tale of him travelling from the past or, (since he was living in the future) sometime before he died to the present, but not permanently.
Killing Batman is a gutsy move, make it work without bringing him back.

Wasn't this the sam erumor about the last Crisis?
Bruce would be in Arkham & Dick would take the mantle of the Bat?

I think Barry is coming back, but he won't be staying. In some comic I remember it being said that Barry would appear three times in the future. He appeared during Rogue Wars, he appeared in Infinate Crisis. He also said he would be back for "The Crisis, the big one." So yeah, he'll appear in Final, but I don't think he will stay after that.


And the thing about Batman dying that they are making it seem like the mantle of Batman will be removed. Which totally goes against "the man can be destroyed, but a symbol is eternal."

If Bruce were to die, I would want him to die as Bruce, not as Batman. Sniper round to the head while out in public, shot by a nameless hitman. Something like that. Suddenly Batman is dead, and the entire hero community know this, but can't reveal it because Gotham would go mad with crime. So someone has to fill the void in Gotham. But no one can properly fill the shoes of someone as driven as Bruce, so the entire Bat family devotes thems selves to keeping the legend of Batman alive. Dick and Tim get the mantion as Bruce's heirs.
And entire underground crimefighting force is born. Those recruited follow the orders of "The Batman" while Tim acts as field leader, Dick runs a sqaud of Nightwing's who infiltrate corrupted corperations and criminal organizations. The Wayne foundation opens orphanages and homeless shelters all accross Gotham, each with a Robin to protect it. I think it could lead to some really interesting stories. Even though it would now be a team book, the title would still be Batman. My favorite thing would be if the entire organization were to be run in secret by Barbara Gordon. Think about it.

"The Batman" : Barbara Gordon

Batman: The group of masked Vigilantes who take over the streets, led in the field by Tim Drake, who has taken over the reigns of the Gothams favorite son. If you wanted to have Terry McGinnis in standard continuity, this is where he would end up.

Nightwing: A team of undercover agents taking down corruption from the inside. Headed by by Dick Grayson, who is now a member of the GCPD.

Robin: The young fighters who protect the shelters set up by the Wayne Foundation. Out of costume more often than in, each Robin would seem to be only a strong-willed youngster. But each shelter would have a secret room with everything the Robin would need.

Oracle: The name for the organization's dispatch and information line.

Maybe I'm getting a head of myself, but this is the only situation where I would actually enjoy a story where Bruce died. I'd rather have him alive and in the mantle, but if he were going to go, I'd like to see him die without revealing who he was, and have others keep the legend alive in his honor.

I'd rather have what I listed above as a Elseworlds story. But maybe I just needed the chance to fanboy out a bit. Thats for humoring me.

This was posted on ComicBookMovie.com some time back. I hope this is informative for everybody involved!

The REAL bad guy of Final Crisis is...

According to Rich Johnston, Batman will die and Jason Todd will take on the mantle as the new Batman.

It'll never work. I'm betting that once DC realizes that this won't work and are done with this idea that they reveal him to be a Skrull.

I think so. I mean, I just got a power ring, and I have the willpower of Rosie O'Donnell at a Krispy Kreme...

What are you snorting, and does it come in pill form?

I really hope this isn't true...I am getting so tired of these damn 70's heroes coming back from the dead. I know people grew up with these characters. But I thought the best thing they did in the 90's was making new characters such as Kyle Rayner and Connor Hawke ( Gawd he got screwed). Hal Jordan and Oliver Queen never should of been brought back. This is JMHO of course. I don't expect people to agree with me.