Why is it that when I forget to declare a perplex or outwit or I make the wrong call I accept it and go on with MY OWN mistakes but when that mistake is made by my opponent I´m not fair play cause I ask him to accept his own mistakes and be responsible for his choices?
:S :S :S

Look, one of the things this game has is the factor of bad choices taken by your opponent.
Am I responsible for them?
If a guy declares a perplex and before declaring anything else he asks to change it I´m ok with it, but if he declares something else then it´s too late to roll back what he choose.
You may say whatever you want, but I´m not a telepath so I can´t know what he plans to do, so if he wants to pump up wolvies defense he must have his reasons and if captain carrot has not enough damage value to do something to my Micro-micro-micro-man its not my problem, its his problem, its his choice and he should be responsible for it.
Is that so hard?
I imagine that the legion of fair play claimers never play video games because that not fair play machine does not let you go back when you hit a plasma cannon bullet with your head right?
Whats the difference here?
A bad choice is a bad choice, go along with it, it will make you a better player in the end.

If a change doesn't affect what you (the opposing player) can do and dice haven't been rolled, let it happen. "Oh, you already Perplexed!" Was that Perplex used for anything? "Oh, you Outwitted Running Shot and now want to Outwit Impervious!" Could you have done a Running Shot on your opponent's turn? Let it happen.

This is almost exactly what I was going to say. Kudos. Unfortunately I think many people would rather just win, regardless of how.

Do you have a problem with getting new players?

I'm in the camp that says if no non-free action has been taken, takebacks are fine. Once a tokenable action is made (and by "made" I mean it's completed to the point where the token is placed) or dice are rolled, whatever's done is set (unless it was flat-out illegal. Then we attempt to resolve it legally if possible).

But thats why I (if not others) play heroclix, because its not a video game. If I want to play a social " no take backs" game I can play MMOs...

The store I play at, which has a constant large group of players, has kept that group over the WK hiatus due to the easy going, social feel to the game. This feel has been brought about in part by nothing being set in stone until you roll.

In casual games I often allow "take-backs" (though I've been forced to establish house rules for them so they don't get out of hand). In a tournament situation I'm not quite as lenient but still occasionally allow "take-backs".

However, if it's a tournament and my opponent has a zero tolerance attitude towards "take-backs" I'm not going to complain or hold it against them.
One thing that might help would be to inform your opponent before you begin so that they are aware of this. It shouldn't be necessary, but it's a courtesy that serves a couple of purposes:

First, it gets it out of the way which decreases the chances the issue will come up during play.

Second, it let's your opponent know ahead of time that they need to choose their actions more carefully than they may be used to which lessens the chances of hard-feelings if they do screw up since you already gave them fair warning.

I always say if you didn't roll any dice you can reset one move back. Most things that come up guy moves forward says he's using running shot. I tell him you don't have LOF. We call judge over and nope he doesn't have LOF. I tell him go ahead and move back and start all over. Unless he's an ### then to bad. =)

well even if it was illegal then he has no option but to go back or find another square to shoot from. or keep moving.

Manchine could be a Richard and say, "too bad, looks like you just took a move action to that square." Instead, he lets his opponent take another action.

Exactly he might not even decide to use running shot. I don't care. As long as he doesn't roll the dice. Then its ok in my book.

Actually, he could not do that.

You cannot change the type of action which was declared. If it is illegal, then he gets the do-over.


Now, if Manchine knowingly allowed his opponent to do something illegal, he could be disqualified for cheating.

Wasn't going to comment on this discussion, that is, until I saw this. Wait...am I allowed to comment now? I mean, I already said I wasn't going to...damn.

Where was I?

Oh yeah...the quote above...um, where in the "book" does it mention "no take backs"? Since you mentioned it and all.

3.Treat other players as you would like to be treated
2.Give advice to those players who need it
1.HAVE FUN, OTHERWISE WHAT ARE YOU PLAYING FOR?

These are the easiest things for me to cope with other players and rules.

VGA...GG makes a valid point here though. Would you, if someone with RS and 4 damage (say Wildfire) declared an attack on your Iron Man (with Invulnerability) and hit, then tell your opponent that since he didn't declare Energy Explosion "off" he didn't even hurt Iron Man?

I mean, according to "the rules" an "optional" power is considered on unless declared off...right?

Hey Terman8er long time no see.

I believe he is talking about taking a power action. Power Action still says you can move half your move and a take a range action. Don't have the powers card in front of me and I tried to find it so I can't quote it.

Although according to the exact rules you have moved your move and you can't take that back move (your stuck there). Your still allowed to use the rest of your move to move where ever you want to.

@Harpua

There is no knowingly allowed to do something illegal since I can't read the opponets mind. According to the rules he just wasted an action, if I wanted to be a dick. =)