Is that like the big apple dropping in time square on new years eve? Does he come with a "Dick" Clark figure too?

I'm with Q on this one. I never understood why everyone thinks Manhattan is on par or better than Galactus or Beyonder.

For the story he's in, he's the top. But in comic mainstream he's against a lot of ####. Odin or Thanos should be able to drop him at weaker levels.

I jsut don't see him taking on Celestrail.

Or Professor X

Alan Moore is rolling in his grave at this "who's strongerer" stuff.

What, you didn't know Moore died? He did. Years ago. All that's left is his sentient beard.

I too see Dr. Manhatten as so unbelievably powerful simply because there's no comparison. Do you honestly think he'd exist two weeks in the Marvel universe before Dr. Doom found a way to steal his powers (the result of a science experiment gone terribly and easily replicatably wrong)?

Anti-Dr. Manhattan Bat-Spray.

Yes a list of people Doom stole power from
1) Everybody
2)Galactus
3) Beyonder
4) Surfer


Actually i'd say Dr. Manhattan is just two steps up from Swamp Thing.

Both exist outside of a corporal body and can construct new bodies on will and manipulate things (plants for Swamp Thing, anything For Doc, hence 1 step up) and Doc can alter the form of what he controls (Swamp thing can manipulate it but its always plant matter, hense 2 steps up)

I swear.. every time the topic of Dr. Manhattan comes up I feel like i'm back in 5th grade with all the dumb "junk" jokes.. jesus people.. they got old 10 years before the movie even came out.

And I'm astounded at the microscopic attention span of people who have already forgotten that the watchmen Clix have abso-freakin-loutly NOTHING to do with the comic book..

Also.. Alan Moore can go take a big bite out of his sour grapes pie. He hasn't written anything interesting in over a decade..

As for Manhattans Power Level.. really.. what do you see him do? Teleport to Mars.. build stuff with his mind and blow #### up.. where are people getting the "He's on par with God" power level?

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Promethea, Top 10, Tom Strong...

He can do whatever he can think of, time is his #####. He says he's going off to MAKE LIFE at the end of the book. If he doesn't have omnipotence/omniscience he's REALLY close.

Seconded On the Good Writing. Anyone who hasn't read ABC BE FOREWARNED If you read Tom Strong its a bit more light-hearted than some of his other stuff. But it still has a distinct taste of Moore in it.

It should also be noted that reading LoEG Vol 1-2 is good idea. But reading Black Dossier is a horrible idea. Though on the other hand LoEG : 1910 turned out pretty well.




He Is re-writing the Necronomicon. And has transcended us all. Don't worry he shall return to smite us all when we decide to make a "Tom Strong" Movie, with Sylvester Stalone as Tom Strong and Charlton Heston's Ghost as the voice of Solomon.

Just make sure they are Vietnamese (and you play him with comedian)

Do We even have a Vietnamese figure yet? I mean I know all the figures are made/painted by asian slave labor but are there any characters with Vietnamese origins?
Hmmmm
WK is RACIST!?!?!?!?

Jealous perhaps?

Kidding of course



Yeah, they uphold the steryotype that Blue people have big Wangs.

It's only big because he can make it any size he wants. On another note, the idea of Manhattan being the same level as celestials most likely comes from his line about leaving this universe/galaxy for another and making life someplace else. I don't think he was talking about finding some hot alien chick and making some little blue men if you know what I mean . The celestials have such powers and capabilities. Now would Dr. Manhattan be able to take on a celestial? That's very possible considering he's been reduced to atoms and still came back. However the Celestials maybe able to do something about that, we don't know and never will. The argument is stupid however it's like " who would win, cthulu, or the flash?" ( Yes I've been asked that question before ).

Fixed that for you.

Mantis is vietnamese, and didn't tony originally pre-retcon build his first armor in vietnam? That would make the AW silver anthony stark vietnamese scrap metal. Wouldnt be much to take on a collossal with though.

As described, Manhattan should be omnipotent and unstoppable. He's got complete awareness of his own timeline, so should be able to do something else if he's ever beaten.

Someone capable of controlling quantum effects and with complete awareness of his own history (which extends to the history of everything, since quanta don't care where you begin and the universe ends), should be able to rewrite the universe to his satisfaction on a whim, as well as create his own universes, etc.

But all that has to be ignored for the story to actually work, so there you go. He can't be completely aware of his own history, because then he'd have no character growth and be boring. He can't be aware enough to solve the problems of the story (Invoke Tachyon Technobabble!) because then nothing in the story would have happened (he'd should have just killed Ozymandias back in the sixties).

Of course, the same problem applies to all the other uber-powerful figures comic books love so much (and I loathe). Portrayed accurate to their supposed power level, they would be unstoppable and there would be no story. Authors are thus forced to either have the omnipotent characters be dog stupid ("Instead of DESTROYING YOU, I shall put you in a death trap next to all the equipment you need to drain my power, then go away for long enough for you to escape and use it!"), invoke ridiculous Deus ex Machina (Reed: "I have the macguffin... I mean, the ULTIMATE NULLIFIER!" Galactus: "Oh Noes! I must flee!"), or restrict the omnipotent beings to arbitrary rules ("No, it's pronounced kltpzyxm! OH YOU TRICKED ME!") to have the heroes win. Written intelligently, any such being, Celestial, Manhattan, Beyonder, whatever, would wipe any opposition off the board before said opposition even knew there was a fight.

Could Manhattan beat a Celestial? The question is absurd on the face of it. Next you'll be asking if Manhattan can make a rock so big that he couldn't lift it.

I much prefer my heroes to fight *reasonably* powerful foes. Leave omnipotence to religions, please.

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(Yes, I did type kltpzyxm from memory and get it right. I am never going to go out on a date.)