So Metron can still use outwit, prob and perplex in one turn. Taken CP is lost, but I wanted to make sure he could still use outwit-perplex and Prob as free actions. Arent theses free actions still?

"MOBIUS CHAIR: Metron can use Outwit and Probability Control. Once per turn, Metron can use one of the following powers: Leadership, Perplex, or Support."

He can use BOTH of the first two powers listed: Outwit and Probability Control
and any ONE of the next three listed: Leadership, Perplex, OR Support.

Yes, he can use Outwit, Perplex, and Probo in any one turn.

Flawless logic, except when using running shot you still possess ranged combat expert thus qualifying for the feat.

When Metron chooses to use perplex instead of leadership, he can't use leadership and does not also possess the power, therefore he loses all benefits of contingency plan.

The prerequisite of trick shot is to either possess or be able to use ranged combat expert or plasticity.

Ranged Combat Expert is still possessed at the time running shot is used, therefore activating the use of trick shot.

However, when Metron can only use leadership - he does not possess. And when he chooses perplex or support over leadership, he can not use leadership. Since he cannot use leadership, nor does he possess leadership (he possesses Mobius chair), then it is as if he does not qualify for contingency plan. Remove the tokens. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200 dollars.

Thanks Kam, this long as-terik thread had my mind secons guessing. THanks for the confirmation.

Wonderful retort except that Metron never possesses Leadership or Perplex. He can only USE the power.

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POSSESS: To directly have a power, ability, or effect printed on a card or dial—not simply used via another power, ability, or effect.

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USE: To employ a power, ability, or effect.

See the problem, chief?

No problem, didn't want anyone to stay confused due to discussion.

I'm confused as this is exactly what I'm arguing.

In order to qualify for a feat you need to either be able to use the power/ability or have the power/ability.

Metron can use leadership, but there's a point in the game where he can not use leadership, and since that is the only way he can obtain the use of the feat card (by being able to use the prerequisite power), the feat card cannot be used.

Metron cannot use Leadership if he moves, nor can anyone else on his team. By your logic anyone that does not roll for Leadership would lose the tokens and be forced to play Monopoly instead.

If you're confused about what you're arguing then you have two problems:
1. There's no argument here.
2. There's a concern over when and how one "loses" an ability. We comprehend that he cannot use the feat, but don't believe he has "lost" the power (and thus must remove all tokens)

But don't worry, this thread seems to have exploded, I'm certain that if you truly want to try and convince us, people will listen.

No, I saw what you said and I see what you're trying to say, I just don't agree that it's correct (and clearly I'm not the only one). No offense.

I don't disagree that it could be proven correctly, I just think that using the RCE + Running shot with trick shot example isn't a good way to do it for the same reason you mentioned, that it's a different situation.

If this were the case, using special powers as prerequisites would be impossible anyway. This isn't the case though. Like Kam argued earlier, once you've taken a non free action and essentially begun your turn, this is the point in the game where you could no longer use leadership, and by that logic the tokens would go away because he can no longer use leadership as the time window has expired to roll for it.

Something to consider though for your side of the argument, when a character successfully rolls for leadership, there is an additional action being added to the pool.... so then now having an extra action added, does this either passively (by having it sitting there available) or actively (when the character uses the extra action granted) count as "using" leadership? Something to ponder.

I don't disagree with this at all. But the thing is, just because he can't use the power, doesn't mean he's lost it. And according to the combined wording of the rulebook and the wording of contingency plan, we can tell that the only way for the tokens to go away is for the power to be lost.

As I said earlier this is a truly unique situation.

I just don't see the logic of "can't use" = "lose."

The only other case I can think of where this distinction exists is with Super Strength.

If I'm holding an object and cancel SS, I cannot use SS but I don't drop the object because that only happens when SS is lost. Which by definition (prior to this ruling) only happens when a power is countered or no longer appears on the dial.

This ruling says that powers are lost anytime they cannot be used.

Yeah, kinda how I feel, hence the Running Shot/RCE example I first posted.