Because it's a cause and effect. At the time of outwit, she couldn't attack anyone. Her TKs now gone and then you move her. If you moved her, and then outwitted, then yes, but not the other way around.

outwit doesnt happen in an instant. it lasts for a turn. the timing of it is inconsequential.

the definition for a dfd is pertaining to me making it impossible for an enemy to attack. if you remove my outwit from my turn, the attack is capable of being made. he cant make an attack during my turn anyway, so it doesnt matter when during my turn i ow tk.

if you can continue ask tanis if he can to post per me... i'm drowning in work in school...

sure thing man. thx for the heads up

taaaaaanis! lets battle!

*whistles and kicks a can*

Wow, look at all those figures out there. If only someone with a lot of time on their hands could play them...

*sigh* alright, you're in the game. but fail your breakaway, ok?

and if/when you succeed, destiny will pc it. if you attack moonstone instead, thats case by case plz.

Noh will go for the hit on Moonstone. AV 9 on DV 15, needs 6. Rolls: 7. PC: 7. See? perfectly average rolls. 1 to Karla, 1 SA Noh, push to Noh.

Clear MG.

Thunderbolts

1) R Moonstone 68 pts (6/7) G-11 @
2) AE Iron Patriot* 66 pts (3/3) C-10 (hindering)
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics][Disabled], Sanity Token
3) R Songbird* 44 pts (4/5) D-12
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics]
4) R (sin) Bullseye* 34 pts (6/6) A-10 @
* Spotter 5 pts
5) R H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent 33 pts (0/4) KO'ed!
6) R Destiny 20 pts (3/4) E-6
7) R AIM Medic 14 pts (4/4) B-9 @
Total – 300

Moonstone: 1 SA, 1 KO
Norman Osborn: 1 SA, 1 DFD
Songbird: 1 AST
Bullseye: 5 SA, 1 AST, 2 KO
H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent: 2 SA
AIM Medic: 2 SA, 1 AST

vs

Ultimate X-men

1) E Howard the Duck 35 pts C12 (0/5) KOKOKO
2) E Noh-varr 141 pts F12 (2/8) @@ [Plex OWed]
3) R Marvel Girl (ult) 48 pts G19 (3/5)
4) R Beast (ult) 41 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
5) R Echo 25 pts (0/5) KOKOKO

Total – 290 pts

special object: meteorite

HO: Meteorite J16
LO: E-13; M13

Map – Battlefield

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...&u3=x-473y-121

BFC – Bizarro World

A critical miss does not deal the attacker damage. Instead, after the attack resolves the target of the attack is healed of 1 damage. After a critical hit is resolved, remove an action token from the target of the attack if it has more than one action token.

Marvel Girl: 4 AST
Noh-Varr: 3 SA, 1 AST
Echo: 1 SA
Howard: 3 SA, 1 KO[/quote]

13B

1) Patriot to I-18

ta) Destiny to E-9

2) Bullseye push to RCE Noh-Varr. 10 vs 15 (hydra). Crit miss. TTTTTVVVVVVKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!! Reroll is an 11 for the KO.

f) Patriot OWs TK on MG

ta) Songbird to B-11

3) Moonstone pushes to F-15, picking up the Meteorite along the way.

Destiny will PC a BA or crit hit by MG.

Thunderbolts

1) R Moonstone 68 pts (5/7) F-15 (with meteorite) @@
2) AE Iron Patriot* 66 pts (3/3) I-18 @
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics][Disabled], Sanity Token
3) R Songbird* 44 pts (4/5) B-11 @
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics]
4) R (sin) Bullseye* 34 pts (5/6) A-10 @@
* Spotter 5 pts
5) R H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent 33 pts (0/4) KO'ed!
6) R Destiny 20 pts (3/4) E-9 @
7) R AIM Medic 14 pts (4/4) B-9
Total – 300

Moonstone: 1 SA, 1 KO
Norman Osborn: 1 SA, 1 DFD
Songbird: 1 AST
Bullseye: 6 SA, 1 AST, 3 KO
H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent: 2 SA
Destiny: 1 AST
AIM Medic: 2 SA, 1 AST

vs

Ultimate X-men

1) E Howard the Duck 35 pts C12 (0/5) KOKOKO
2) E Noh-varr 141 pts F12 (0/8) KOKOKO
3) R Marvel Girl (ult) 48 pts H19 (3/5) [TK OWed]
4) R Beast (ult) 41 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
5) R Echo 25 pts (0/5) KOKOKO

Total – 290 pts

special object: meteorite

HO: Meteorite (Moonstone)
LO: E-13; M13

Map – Battlefield

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...t12=x-762y-127

BFC – Bizarro World

A critical miss does not deal the attacker damage. Instead, after the attack resolves the target of the attack is healed of 1 damage. After a critical hit is resolved, remove an action token from the target of the attack if it has more than one action token.

Marvel Girl: 4 AST
Noh-Varr: 3 SA, 1 AST
Echo: 1 SA
Howard: 3 SA, 1 KO

14A

Breakaway with a 4, twice. Moves to F-20.

Thunderbolts

1) R Moonstone 68 pts (5/7) F-15 (with meteorite) @@
2) AE Iron Patriot* 66 pts (3/3) I-18 @
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics][Disabled], Sanity Token
3) R Songbird* 44 pts (4/5) B-11 @
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics]
4) R (sin) Bullseye* 34 pts (5/6) A-10 @@
* Spotter 5 pts
5) R H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent 33 pts (0/4) KO'ed!
6) R Destiny 20 pts (3/4) E-9 @
7) R AIM Medic 14 pts (4/4) B-9
Total – 300

Moonstone: 1 SA, 1 KO
Norman Osborn: 1 SA, 1 DFD
Songbird: 1 AST
Bullseye: 6 SA, 1 AST, 3 KO
H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent: 2 SA
Destiny: 1 AST
AIM Medic: 2 SA, 1 AST

vs

Ultimate X-men

1) E Howard the Duck 35 pts C12 (0/5) KOKOKO
2) E Noh-varr 141 pts F12 (0/8) KOKOKO
3) R Marvel Girl (ult) 48 pts H19 (3/5) F-20 @
4) R Beast (ult) 41 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
5) R Echo 25 pts (0/5) KOKOKO

Total – 290 pts

special object: meteorite

HO: Meteorite (Moonstone)
LO: E-13; M13

Map – Battlefield

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...t12=x-762y-127

BFC – Bizarro World

A critical miss does not deal the attacker damage. Instead, after the attack resolves the target of the attack is healed of 1 damage. After a critical hit is resolved, remove an action token from the target of the attack if it has more than one action token.

Marvel Girl: 4 AST
Noh-Varr: 3 SA, 1 AST
Echo: 1 SA
Howard: 3 SA, 1 KO[/quote]

14B

1) medic to E-15

ta) Songbird push to D-15, dropping BE in D-16

2) Moonstone MoE push to throw the HO at MG. 8 (spotter) vs 14 (esd/hydra). gets an 8 for the KO.

thanks to both of you gents for subbing.

gg gannon.

Thunderbolts

1) R Moonstone 68 pts (4/7) F-15 @@
2) AE Iron Patriot* 66 pts (3/3) I-18
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics][Disabled], Sanity Token
3) R Songbird* 44 pts (3/5) D-15 (hindering) @@
* Thunderbolts 8 pts [Mystics]
4) R (sin) Bullseye* 34 pts (5/6) D-16 (hindering)
* Spotter 5 pts
5) R H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent 33 pts (0/4) KO'ed!
6) R Destiny 20 pts (3/4) E-9
7) R AIM Medic 14 pts (4/4) E-15 (hindering) @
Total – 300

Moonstone: 2 SA, 2 KO
Norman Osborn: 1 SA, 1 DFD
Songbird: 1 AST
Bullseye: 6 SA, 1 AST, 3 KO
H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent: 2 SA
Destiny: 1 AST
AIM Medic: 2 SA, 1 AST

vs

Ultimate X-men

1) E Howard the Duck 35 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
2) E Noh-varr 141 pts (0/8) KOKOKO
3) R Marvel Girl (ult) 48 pts (0/5)KOKOKO
4) R Beast (ult) 41 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
5) R Echo 25 pts (0/5) KOKOKO

Total – 290 pts

special object: meteorite

HO:
LO: E-13; M13

Map – Battlefield

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...&t12=x-721y-37

BFC – Bizarro World

A critical miss does not deal the attacker damage. Instead, after the attack resolves the target of the attack is healed of 1 damage. After a critical hit is resolved, remove an action token from the target of the attack if it has more than one action token.

Marvel Girl: 4 AST
Noh-Varr: 3 SA, 1 AST
Echo: 1 SA
Howard: 3 SA, 1 KO

Cumulative Stats before Game 2

dbauers’s Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts:

AE Norman Osborn 66 pts
SA[2] KO[1] AST[2] DFD[3]
R Songbird 44 pts
SA[1] KO[0] AST[4] DFD[1]
R (Sin) Bullseye 34 pts
SA[6] KO[1] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Scorpion 29 pts
SA[2] KO[2] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Destiny 20 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[1] DFD[0]
R AIM Medic 14 pts
SA[1] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Dr. Octopus (Ult) 39 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Moonstone 68 pts
SA[3] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]
R HAMMER Agent 33 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]

Total - 10 RPs

Team Feat: Spotter 5 pts

Upgrades used 0/12

Current Game Stats:

Moonstone: 2 SA, 2 KO
Norman Osborn: 1 SA, 1 DFD
Songbird: 1 AST
Bullseye: 6 SA, 1 AST, 3 KO
H.A.M.M.E.R. Agent: 2 SA
Destiny: 1 AST
AIM Medic: 2 SA, 1 AST
+5 RP for the Win

Cumulative Stats After Game 2:

dbauers’s Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts:

AE Norman Osborn 66 pts
SA[3] KO[1] AST[2] DFD[4]
R Songbird 44 pts
SA[1] KO[0] AST[5] DFD[1]
R (Sin) Bullseye 34 pts
SA[12] KO[4] AST[1] DFD[0]
R Scorpion 29 pts
SA[2] KO[2] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Destiny 20 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[2] DFD[0]
R AIM Medic 14 pts
SA[3] KO[0] AST[1] DFD[0]
R Dr. Octopus (Ult) 39 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Moonstone 68 pts
SA[5] KO[2] AST[0] DFD[0]
R HAMMER Agent 33 pts
SA[2] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]

Total - 15 RPs

Team Feat: Spotter 5 pts

Upgrades used 0/12

Bullseye will turn in 12 SAs to turn into E (Sin) Bullseye 48 pts

Final Cumulative Stats After Upgrades:

dbauers’s Norman Osborn's Thunderbolts:

AE Norman Osborn 66 pts
SA[3] KO[1] AST[2] DFD[4]
R Songbird 44 pts
SA[1] KO[0] AST[5] DFD[1]
E (Sin) Bullseye 48 pts
SA[0] KO[4] AST[1] DFD[0]
R Scorpion 29 pts
SA[2] KO[2] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Destiny 20 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[2] DFD[0]
R AIM Medic 14 pts
SA[3] KO[0] AST[1] DFD[0]
R Dr. Octopus (Ult) 39 pts
SA[0] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Moonstone 68 pts
SA[5] KO[2] AST[0] DFD[0]
R HAMMER Agent 33 pts
SA[2] KO[0] AST[0] DFD[0]

Total - 15 RPs

Team Feat: Spotter 5 pts

Upgrades used 1/12

Thunderbolts Win

290 Victory points
5 RPS

Ultimate X-men
33 victory points
10 RPS

my Tally for SkillGannon is
skillgannon's Ultimate X-men
E Noh-Varr
SA[3] KO[2] AST[0] DFD[0]
R Beast
SA[0] KO[0] Ast [1] DFD [0]
R Marvel Girl
SA[1] KO[1] Ast [4] DFD [0]
U J.J. Jameson
SA[0] KO[0] Ast [1] DFD [0]
V Pip the Troll
SA[3] KO[2] Ast [0] DFD [0]
R Echo
SA[1] KO[0] Ast [0] DFD [0]
E Howard the Duck
SA[3] KO[1] Ast [0] DFD [0]
R Wolverine
SA[0] KO[0] Ast [0] DFD [0]
Total - 25 RPs

Team Object: Meteorite