i have yet to see an orange say that characters are ships, only that ships are characters.

for instance, all old men are male.
all males are not old men.

so for the purpose of game effects when my starship indicates "ships" does this affect all characters? or only ships. for instance

NO TIME FOR HALF-MEASURES: When Warship Voyager or an adjacent ship attacks, any attack roll of doubles that hits is a critical hit.

if i rolled doubles with superman would it be a crit hit if he were adjacent to Warship voyager?

Harpua did in post #56 (and both he and normalview did several times prior to that) in this very thread:

Also, twice in this thread


So, to answer your question: yes, in a mixed standard Heroclix/Tactics game, if Superman rolled doubles adjacent to Warship Voyager it would be a critical hit.

Why is this topic such a hot debate? It seems pretty self explanatory.
That says the powers that be at WizKids/NECA meant for Tactics to be played by itself, not mixed in with other character's from the Heroclix world unless they are Star Trek Tactics.

So, no, from their own literature, they did not mean for Superman to battle alongside NOR against the Enterprise-E.

It says so right there in black and white

so yea thanks for quoting that ships = characters

but as i pointed out, no one has stated that all characters are ships only that ships are characters...

It does that, too.

Tht you had to add the caveat is the problem. The official company line is that Tactics is not meant to be played with regular Heroclix. Defining ships as a special class of characters that cannot be played with non-ship characters would do that. Just saying they're characters makes them 100% compatible.

Because it's not actually in any rules; defining ships as a special class of characters was the obvious way to do it, based on the meager contents of the Tactics stater, but that's out now that the oranges have defined ship and characters as being equivalent.

That is exactly what saying "ships=characters" means.

Which I imagine is completely intentional on their part, so they're not alienating any player groups/venues that may want to mix Tactics with Marvel, DC, etc. The line about making it a standalone, non-Golden/Modern Age defined game in all the press material is likely there solely to tell people, "while these pieces are completely compatible with regular Heroclix, you can't use them in any Wizkids sponsored Heroclix events (other than a Star Trek:Tactics event)".

Harpua did, at least twice. Even if you believe that "ship = character" and "character = ship" are not the same thing*, there's this:and this:
*Before someone tells me that "all dimes are coins" is not the same as, and does not imply, "all coins are dimes": you're right. However, "dime = coin" is equivalent to "coin = dime". That's the difference between "is a" and "=". However however, people sometimes use "=" to mean "is a", which is why I quoted the other two quotes.

In addition to what others have said, there is no specific reason you couldn't choose to play with ALL your Heroclix, including Star Trek, at home. WK will not come and break down your door and arrest you just because you decided to mix it up a little.

And was the "infallible" bit really necessary? Or are you specifically trying to troll?

They ARE 100% compatible. They all use the EXACT, SAME, RULES.


You just aren't meant, in an official WK tournament, to play with them on the same team. But nothing says that they are actually different or that you can't play them together at home.

That seems like a stretch to me.
2+3 = 5

But nobody ever said
5 = 2+3..

Logic obviously evades you.

If Fruity pebbles is a cereal.
then does it follow that
all cereals are fruity pebbles?

If all ships are characters
then how does it follow that
all characters are ships?

all i was asking was that since all the oranges were stating was ships = characters. does that mean that characters should be treated as ships for game effects.

and still no answer...

As others have pointed out "is" does not mean the same thing as "=".

= means a direct equivalent.

Is does not necessary denote equivanlence.

It has already been given. A couple times, in fact. But just in case: characters = ships. Period.

Doubt? No.

Hope that there'd be SOMETHING that'd keep the games separate, aside from a halfhearted "Well, you're not supposed to play them together..."? Yeah, yeah I did.