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It's actually easier to list the single use sculpts in this set:
Nebula
Charlie-27
Hollywood
Red Shift (god he is fugly)
Blastaar
Nikki
Martinex
Mole man
Morg
Fallen One
Gamora
Cosmo
Medusa
Stranger
Thing
Iron man(LE)
Wolverine(LE)
The 6 colossi
that's 23 figs. Everything else in this set is used at least twice, sometimes three or four times. I count 70 figs total, including the set, FF pack, gravity feed,
So 23 figs are original and 47 are used between 2-4 times.
Screw you, wizkids.
Fyi Iron Man/Wolverine LEs are sculpts from Chaos War.
It's actually easier to list the single use sculpts in this set:
Nebula
Charlie-27
Hollywood
Red Shift (god he is fugly)
Blastaar
Nikki
Martinex
Mole man
Morg
Fallen One
Gamora
Cosmo
Medusa
Stranger
Thing
Iron man(LE)
Wolverine(LE)
The 6 colossi
that's 23 figs. Everything else in this set is used at least twice, sometimes three or four times. I count 70 figs total, including the set, FF pack, gravity feed,
So 23 figs are original and 47 are used between 2-4 times.
Screw you, wizkids.
However, take that 23 unique sculpt figs down to 20. The Iron Man, Wolverine, and Fallen One sculpts are all being re-used in Chaos War.
Yep, just like the IH set... It's absolutely getting absurd. No wonder WizKids has to use cheap gimmicks like big box store exclusives, the IG and Bat Belt tourneys, and other gimmicks to sell product. Because the product is too crappy to sell on the actual quality of the product.
I especially agree with the bolded part.
... as WizKids LOLs all the way to the bank.
But hey, the fan boys don't mind if they only get 14 new sculpts. As long as they get uber-powerful comic-inaccurate dials, they wouldn't care if Invisible Woman used the same sculpt as Spider-Man... as long as the dial is min/max. I just don't get it... basement dwellers that is.... doesn't quality mean anything to these guys? Personally, I expect more from a "collectible" game than massive and epidemic sculpt re-use.
Fyi Iron Man/Wolverine LEs are sculpts from Chaos War.
Wow... just wow... take those off the list.
Also take of Fallen One.... that sculpt is being re-used for Human Torch.
Like I said earlier... these past few sets are the beginning of the end of WizKids.
I'm glad I only paid $90 each for my two bricks. I paid $12 for my GG Fast Forces Pack, and only paid $25 for my GG Gravity Feed set... and got 2 extras with it too.
And I didn't pay a dime of sales tax either. Take that WA State.
well, then that's 20 of 70 figs are original. So 50 are re-used.
I calculated the older sets to hover around 31-33% new stuff, and 69-66% re-used with the old R-E-V system(including the LE's... which there were more of in the old days and they were ALWAYS the same sculpts. Now we get 4-5 of them instead of 20)
20 of 70 is 28.5% original and 50 of 70 is 71.5% re-used.
This is even worse than the old R-E-V system from infinity challenge, which is around 31% original and 69% re uses.
Lame!
I can't believe we're getting more repeats in GG than we did in IC from ten years ago...You'd think wizkids could have found better ways to make money off these since then instead of merely RIPPING US OFF.
I'm OK with them in some situations, not in others. There were some in GG that were pretty good. The Doombot being based off the Doom Sculpt and the Astral Dr. Strange being translucent were perfect reuses of sculpts. As was the duo Adam Warlock/Magus reuse. People complaining about these are people who would complain that they had to split a lotto jacket with another winner. There were others that made sense (like the Nova Corps members) because their uniforms were more or less uniform. But the Skrull female was used too much. And let's not bring up the soldier sculpt reuse from the Hulk releases.
I don't understand the comment that sculpts are getting worse. There are some sweet sculpts in the set like Doom, Mistress Death, Drax, Captain Marvel, etc.
Pretty much this and saving myself from reading a bunch of pages. Sometimes it's fine, sometimes it's weak.
My H/W link does not reflect the wants for my collection, it is a list of figures that I already have, but still "want" to play.
However, take that 23 unique sculpt figs down to 20. The Iron Man, Wolverine, and Fallen One sculpts are all being re-used in Chaos War.
Honest question: besides Wolverine, is any of the sculpts confirmed to be reused in CW? Wolverine is on the Poster we saw. I also think someone said the FF Spidey from the Booster Pic looks like the Silver Surfer of GG but have we seen Pics of the Fallen Torch or this Iron Man (the one on the Booster and is modern Iron Man),yet or is this just a rumor (although I wouldn't be surprised if they reuse this Iron Man)?
I get (but personally don't care) that people are angry that chase figures aren't original sculpts but I wonder why people are angry that they reuse Sculpts for the GG LEs. Besides Superman Beyond LEs were always reused Sculpts.
As for the reuse of sculpts in the Main sets themselves, I'm waiting for the Sets post CW to make up my mind about that. If I remember correctly the last 3 Marvel Sets were originally supposed to be smaller Sets anyway and they had to fill up the roster to enlarge them to normal Set-Size. If they continue this in the next full-size Set it will become an issue for me (although no OMG THE SKY IS FALLING F### WIZKIDS!!!! one)
I'd like to see less reuse of sculpts but its not the end of the world for me if it keeps prices down and lets Wizkids turn a profit I can put up with it.
What I would like though is them to make it more obvious from across the table which version is which just from a playability aspect.
I'm not a power gamer just a guy who gets fed up having to take off his glasses when I have to pick up my opponents figures just to remind myself what they are. Something simple like the return of coloured rings or different coloured Oreo bases for main set, ctd and fast forces would help.
Come on Wizkids help me out the more money I spend on vari-focal lenses the less I have to buy figures.
Many great points. Loved your posts. But it's too bad the fan boys will reply with the old and tired, "But WizKids is saving money, so that is good," and "If it means HeroClix sticks around, I don't care about quality... at least we still have HeroClix," and blah blah blah. As I stated earlier, it's funny how the HeroClix community in general have such low standards.
When trying to argue points and persuade people dont call them names or belittle them, it makes your arguement seemingly come from a guy in a tinfoil hat. a note to everyone posting in this thread, stay classy and respectful of others opinions.
Will I go off on a tirade because they reuse sculpts? No
I am just thinking back to the past and how things are better now as far as sculpts are concerned. I do think that it is agreed upon that there is no definable scale, but everyone should have known that after all of those beefy HYDRA generics. The sculpt looks like the character, which is good. When the sculpt doesn't look like the character that is when you have to scratch your head: DC75 Superman and Medusa's Head for example.
I do not expect the sculpts to be absolutely perfect, which is definitely different by perception. As for the OP. His perception of a perfect sculpt is ludicrous.
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This. This is me so hard.
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I don't mind. It keeps costs down significantly. I do like having multiple versions to choose from, although they should have a wider range of point values then all the hulks we've been getting. I do wish they would choose good sculpts to reuse though. Out of all the hulk scuplts they could have used for the GG le, why did they pick the worst one?!?!?!?
I'm kind of the same. Though, the sculpt quality isn't there this time. Super Skrull/Xavin looks silly.
The chases had a theme of figures with some special power or object, it's forgivable, but the second worst offense in this set to me.
now to me this is not forgivable at all!!! the chase figs should be special, and should be top quality. unfortunately they are not. that mr. fantastic looks like crap!!! i liked the idea behind it but they should have had brand new sculpts and the sculptor should have taken time to make them look the very best he could make them.
The Nova Corps is understandable because they all have the same uniforms, you could have given all of them different poses I suppose, but honestly I like the image of organization they have when lined up.
this one i dont mind to much but at the same time did we really need it taking up two spots??? it could have been like the astral projections and have two dials on one. but if you have to split them up and take up two spots in a set at least make one a female or another alien race, this is marvels lanterns
The Cardinals are all right since they are all cardinals (not sure if Raker is higher rank) and therefore should have the same clothes, yet they went so far as to give them weapons so that's fine.
i know nothing about these guys so i cant really comment on them
Doom is the second most forgivable since the Doombots were... designed to look exactly like him.
to me this is the only one that is perfectly ok except for the chase.
The most forgivable instance is of course Astral Dr. Strange since it's him projecting himself.
did we really need this? it could have been a pog. so my problem with this is that we really didn't need it
The Annihilation Seekers looked just like Ravenous in Annihilation, you could point out pose again, but there aren't too many "tough guy" poses.
dont know who these guys are but the sculpt is horrible.
The skrulls I don't like, I'm not familiar with Xavin, but he isn't Kl'rt, why the same sculpt? Xavin's sculpt does fit the dial though, so I'll let it slide since there are a few differentiating traits between it and Kl'rt. The Assassin, Rebel, Lyja the Lazerfist, and Replica are all the most unforgivable instance of sculpt reuse in the set.
this kinda ticked me off the most... just the number of times the female was reused. and the super skrull reuse almost had me tossing xavin out into a trade bin... luckily my friend told me he was the one from runaways. Named figures shouldn't look just like no name generics!!!
The Gravity Feed and Fast Forces are fine, they've always been reused, nobody should have expected different there.
no they really need a easier way to distinguish the two.. either make them all with unique rings on the base or change their color some how. they really should be new sculpts but ill let them by with this for now. but really they do need to do something to make them look different than the ones in the core set. do like they do with the chases even.
As for the LEs, Hulk is bad just because it is one of the worst Hulk sculpts reused too many times, and the Spider-Man is bad because I'm pretty sure the story the LE's were taken from didn't have very many skyscraper windows for him to stick to.
that hulk sculpt isnt bad its just out of scale. if you take the scale issue out that sculpt is amazing compared to most of the sculpts of him we have gotten over the past few years..... BUT why are they reusing sculpts from an older set?? that ticks me off more than anything!!!!
there are a few more reused sculpts that you didn't list that shouldn't have been reused but you get where im going with this i think now so i shouldn't have to list them as well
I get (but personally don't care) that people are angry that chase figures aren't original sculpts but I wonder why people are angry that they reuse Sculpts for the GG LEs. Besides Superman Beyond LEs were always reused Sculpts.
in the past the LEs have allways been from the same set... not from other older sets. THAT is whats ticking me off about the LEs.
im fine with LEs being a reused sculpt because that's what they have always been. but they have never used older sculpts from other sets for the LEs of the new set.
that hulk sculpt isnt bad its just out of scale. if you take the scale issue out that sculpt is amazing compared to most of the sculpts of him we have gotten over the past few years..... BUT why are they reusing sculpts from an older set?? that ticks me off more than anything!!!!
They needed a hulk and this sculpt fit the theme better than the other one? I think it went like this:
"Soooo, what Theme are we using for the LEs of GG??"
"how about that old what if-story with the newer fantastic four"
"didn't we already do them in the last set?"
"Nooo, not the new FF, the newER FF"
"Ok, sounds good. Which Characters do we need?"
"Spiderman, Iron Man, Hulk and Wolverine"
"But only Hulk was in this Set and this Hulk doesn't look anything like he did in the Story"
(Emphasis by me"Then let's use some sculpts form the last and the next set. It is a good idea for a LE-Theme and why shouldn't we do it just because these characters weren't in this set!!!!