Nasty and with 85pts to spare, though I do wonder how a team like this can consistently get map choice and isn't constantly fighting on a map like Bizarro World or Jotunheim where there are pockets of 4-6 square elevations surrounded by terrain of different elevations. If you can't base me with the Cruiser, you can't MC me to hop in.

Cosmo for 53 points. Early TK with Mind Control. Maybe a resource AA well.

I see this tactic no differently then Capture.

You Mind Control my character to jump in your Vehicle. I Possess you character, capture your vehicle and then jump into my own vehicle.

In no way is any of these tactics more broken then the other. I could Mind Control your character to capture another of your characters and you could not even rescue them. You could release them and give me the points for it.

75 pts Scarlet Witch comes to mind. Or you would use Cosmo (52 pts) and Donald Blake (33 pts)

good pick but I'm almost sure he is 52 points.

You're right, they aren't more broken than the other. They're all just plain old broken.

That's broken too, but at least it requires I have a capture piece to begin with.

While i dont care how balanced it is or not, it certainly is different than capture.

Capture has a built in mechanic that provides the opponent a way to return their character to the map. Capture is also close combat only.
There's a number of differences that effect balance.

You need to re-read what you typed. I didn't research what you've written on multiple threads, just what you typed here:

You said you don't think it's nessessary to change and that it's a 'fun'. I commented on that. The fact that you completely ignored the point I was trying to make while ignoring the very words you typed is almost impressive. Almost.

Not really.

Well let's look at it.


Capture you have to position 1 character. Piloting you need to position 2 characters.
Capturing allows for potential bonus points. Piloting does not.
Capturing loses ability once it has 3 Captives. Piloting loses Pilot trait abilities.
Capturing allows to rescue characters, but at the cost of no damage. Piloting can only be "rescued" when vehicle is destroyed.
Capturing can remove character from game. Piloting at most can do 2 damage to character.

You are absolutely right capturing is far better the piloting an opposing character.

lol Here's a quick 400 pt modern team to double "capture" from up to 18 squares away.

79 ASM017B Brother Voodoo
106 BMV003B Invisible Jet (Piloted)
45 BM003A Arkham Asylum Guard
75 TABD-003R Wonder Woman
50 FFSOG001 Oracle
35 GX014 Roulette
7 NMLR100 Utility Belt
1 NMLR101 Gas Pellets/Smoke Grenade
1 NMLR101 Gas Pellets/Smoke Grenade
1 NMLR101 Gas Pellets/Smoke Grenade
400

Haha, playtesting.... in Heroclix...
I agree on paper. The reason the "MC-Pilot" mechanic is more potent in reality is just due to the current Popular Meta. Honestly, if Brother Voodoo came out a year ago he would be seen as OK. If we didn't have the Cruisers or Cycle or Voodoo then it would be one of those semi-joke-gimmicks (like Capture right now). It just so happens that the TEAMS utilizing MC-Pilot-Capture are simply waaaaay more effective than a straight up Capture team. It's just timing. If Metron were released today people would say "Meh, I get rid of Q with UB, Outwit and smack the crap out of him" and we would probably fall to the wayside (much like he did for a while before his resurgence).

I mean no disrespect to HC players, but not everyone can look at these figures/strategies in theory and relate them to how they will work in reality. Which is why people panic when they see The Bug preview. It's why some people played a game against The Bug and say "the sky is falling, he is Cthulu risen!" and other say "Wow, he sucks" (even though maybe no Blue Beetle piloting, No IG etc...)

So while you're totally right as an actual mechanic that Capture is as good or better than MC-Pilot-Capture and MUCH, much more efficient, the Popular Meta right now shows that Mc-Pilot-Capture works better RIGHT now and makes an already uber-potent combo (Brother Voodoo/Cruiser) even more potent. Reminds me of IG with Nightcrawler/Metron. There was nothing great to fill out the rest of the team with, though it was a good team. Then bam, IG fits like glove and infamy is born.

Don't you think if the "Capture" only worked for a turn and caused 1 Damage that it would be fine in terms of overall game balance? I myself think it would be fun to try and position to do a click of damage with the tactic, just like I enjoy trying to outwit figures flight and FB them into Open Air currently.

It's ridiculous that there is a debate about this. It clearly isn't intentional. The RA should have already been here to say "no, you can't do that and we'll get an errata in the next PG". Done. End of story.

Because you said that, if I was the RA, I would side against you.
New vs Old

Here's hoping, man...