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So, then it goes back to my previous question: Does adding a figure to your force mid-game (Creating figures via Ultron, or Fantomex for example), suddenly make your force illegal due to those figures not being assigned the Book of the Skull?
Expanding on this would there be an issue with ggG001 Galactus adding a figure to your force with the Book of Skulls or even adding a Team Base to your force with the Book of Skulls.
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MY HERALD: As you reveal your force, you may also reveal another figure of 150 points or less to become your Herald. Then each opponent may choose a character on their force to offer up as Herald. You may then either accept an opponent's Herald, or choose your own revealed one. The chosen Herald is added to your force
I would think both would be fine even due to happening after the step of force construction where resources are assigned.
So, then it goes back to my previous question: Does adding a figure to your force mid-game (Creating figures via Ultron, or Fantomex for example), suddenly make your force illegal due to those figures not being assigned the Book of the Skull?
No because it only receives the check during force construction. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to mind-control either.
Which is all the more reason you're qualified to do the job you do. But there are times when there are ambiguities (like this) or outright gaps (like the undying bats issue) in the rules that need clarification, or a full-on ruling. When that occurs, what higher authority should we be waiting for? The Rules Team is it- no need to be skeptical.
OK. I see what you're saying.
The current Rules Team will not make a ruling, though, until we know for sure what the intent is. When we make such a ruling we will make sure to mention (which we have been doing I think) that it will need an update to make sure it works that way.
Until that update, I agree that it should be played as we stated, but keep in mind that the answer is not a "Because I said so" answer. It's an answer we got from discussing it with other deputies and getting back intent from GD.
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An exception specifically outlined in the Player's Guide. Why would I assume it also applies to a completely different game element?
I can currently find no rule or effect that prevents bringing in characters mid-game, or that would create an illegal force when doing so on a force assigned a Resource.
If you can provide me with a specific interaction, I will look into it.
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There's no general rule that says resources are only assigned during force construction.
Then to further the point, MC makes a figure friendly to your force. Would a team become illegal once you mind control? or would you assign the book to the MC(because it says to assign it to all figures) and give a MC figure a hammer? (If you MC 2 figures, give figure A a power action to drop a hammer on figure B. Then MC target B can pick it up?)
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You can't assign Resources to Team Bases or Vehicles. Period. End of story. You can only play with the wording so much before you essentially make a conscious decision to ignore it altogether.
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You can't assign Resources to Team Bases or Vehicles. Period. End of story. You can only play with the wording so much before you essentially make a conscious decision to ignore it altogether.
Nor do I want to. I just want to be able to include a Resource on a team with a Team Base or Vehicle. And I am having an exceptionally hard time determining why it is currently ruled that I cannot.
Referencing maddhatter84's point: if I have the Book of the Skull on my team, can I Mind Control a Team Base? As pointed out by Moompix, nothing indicates the Book of the Skull is Assigned only during force construction. It would logically attempt to be assigned to the Team Base (currently a "Friendly Figure" for the duration of the Mind Control Action) and fail due to the Team Base's rules.
When I came on board as RA I brought with me a mission to meet the intent of a power/ability and a firm distaste for exploits or loopholes that circumvented the intention of a rule. That's where the Rules team comes in.
Then to further the point, MC makes a figure friendly to your force. Would a team become illegal once you mind control? or would you assign the book to the MC(because it says to assign it to all figures) and give a MC figure a hammer? (If you MC 2 figures, give 1 a power action to drop a hammer on figre A. Then MC target B can pick it up?)
The requirement for dropping and equipping hammers is for the character to be friendly. There's nothing about them needing to have been assigned the resource. So, that's probably possible regardless of resource assignment timing.
No, because the restrictions on assigning a Resource only apply during force construction. This is why you may not assign Special Objects to your force during force construction when using a Resource, but you may bring in Special Objects during the game, even if your force was assigned a Resource.
Well, actually, we weren't allowed to bring in special objects even after the game began when we had resources on our team originally. I remember that issue with Lex Luthor and his Kryptonite. This clarification needed to be added to the rules before that was legal:
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The restriction against including special objects on your force applies at the time you construct your force. Game effects which would bring a special object onto the force during the game may be used.
I'm not sure why a same clarification should not also be needed for characters, since it was for objects. Or that clarification should just be changed to say any and all restrictions are checked only during force construction and never again, so if you find a way to add more resources after the game begins, even that is legal.
I don't understand why Saturnflight is so against is getting actual explanations for rulings. As a judge, I would like to be able to tell my players "the rules work this way because this section of the rules say this and that section says that, which clearly means this third thing" as opposed to "some guy on the internet told me so, so that is how we are playing it".
Chris, those who seem to be confused by this ruling are simply looking for an explanation why in the rules or Player's Guide. What says during force construction conflicting figure rules specifying how said figures interact cause the force to be illegal? I feel this is a clarification that may be necessary to add to the rulebook.
Judging by firlz' last post, it doesn't really seem the old explanation used in previous threads explained it well enough for him and his venue of players. Shouldn't we try to better clarify the rule book to eliminate this problem?
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The requirement for dropping and equipping hammers is for the character to be friendly. There's nothing about them needing to have been assigned the resource. So, that's probably possible regardless of resource assignment timing.
Moompix is correct, this is currently entirely legal. It is a great way to prevent an opponent from equipping their own figures with their book's hammers and helps more quickly grant access to more of the book's benefits for your own figures.
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