All I can state is that once the intent of how they wish Splitlip to work is verified, the language will be made to fit that.

True. And it's not like this is an earth-shattering word or anything. It just feels extraneous to me.

That's cool with me. I almost asked that question. But thought i'd get yelled at by someone. As long as the intention and the wording or errata'd wording sync-up. i'm happy. =D

Back to black manta -
Would it not simply... generate it already?

Wow. Just wow. You were always someone I had a lot of respect for, but this triad that you've chosen to have here... just wow.

So because I don't agree with you, that instantly means I'm a Mister ID fanboy???? Even though him and I have had multiple disagreements and I'm probably one of his least favorite people on this site...

Yeah sorry, not buying it.

Further, your argument is completely baseless and you are not applying anything correctly.

Firstly the word Can has multiple meanings...

1. to be able to; have the ability, power, or skill to: She can solve the problem easily, I'm sure.
2. to know how to: He can play chess, although he's not particularly good at it.
3. to have the power or means to: A dictator can impose his will on the people.
4. to have the right or qualifications to: He can change whatever he wishes in the script.
5. may; have permission to: Can I speak to you for a moment?

So I can do something, but that doesn't mean that I must do something. Ok got it. Right now you and I are on the same page. However there is context that now must come into play.

You can get your work. That doesn't mean that you must get your work down. However, your boss tells you that while you are sitting at your desk you must get your work done. This now changes the context of "you can get your work done". Now there is an outside presence that is saying that even though this is a can when placed in this situation you must exercise that and produce work. While it is not a "must" it essentially becomes a must.

So now let us apply that to Heroclix. Figure A has a power that says:

"Figure A can use Stealth, Running Shot, and Plasticity."

Ok it says I can do, but I don't have to do any of those things. Perfect. It makes sense. However, there is a rule that exists (your boss in Heroclix) that states when you can use a power you must use a power. Hmm ok then. So now if I'm in hindering terrain my boss (the rules) is telling me that because I can use Stealth I must complete my job and use Stealth. So again while it is "optional" an entity more powerful than myself dictates that I don't really have a choice in this one. Ok, but what about Running Shot? Must I use that also. For this one my boss (the rules) tells me that because there is no condition that would require me to use Running Shot I can do so at my leisure. Perfect! So I can use Stealth, but my boss tells me that if someone is drawing a line of fire to me that crosses hindering I must use Stealth, but my Boss really doesn't care if I go out of my way (taking an action) to use Running Shot.

So in work if I choose to use the optional portion of "I can do my work" and don't do it I get fired. In Heroclix if I use the optional part "Figure A can use Steal Energy" and I don't heal myself I get DQ'd. I fail to see how this doesn't follow your real world logic...

I hope my ramblings have actually helped you and have cleared this up for at least one person out there. Now my boss is telling me to get my work done...

I'm sorry. I just couldn't resist pointing out the irony in your belittling statement. 'Proper' also modifies 'written', and should also be an adverb, like 'grammatically'. Fortunately, these two modifiers are not limited by the rule of 3.

after 5 pages i still confuse, Splitlip works with the BoS? or anymore? so confusing this post u.u

Coining a phrase to describe the tangled webs of rules interactions, as well as the enthusiasm that folks have for them: Rules Porn.

So, will Realmsers who seem to post just to keep things going be called Rules Fluffers?

Keep trying to get that errata changed and you'll go blind.

I agree with this and as a player trying to learn how to play the game according to the rules, what confuses me is that when something gets ruled one way and when I think I understand the rules then it gets ruled differently in other threads.

Also what does "instead" mean?

a. You give the character a power action (non-free action) which gets replaced with a free. So character can't still take a non-free action.

b. You give the character a free action and then it can still take a non-free action.

c. Or something totally different.

I'm reading Splitlip's card and I think it runs parallel with the idea of Sidestep and breakaway rolls.

Read the fifth paragraph about breaking away: http://heroclix.com/heroclix/a-whole...cision-strike/

If you have Sidestep and try to breakway, but fail the roll, no harm because it's a free action. You can immediately try again on your same turn, succeed or fail, but now it's an action.

I see no difference whatsoever in using Splitlip's assist to lift a Relic.

If you have Splitlip and try to lift a Relic, but fail the roll, no harm because it's a free action. You can immediately try again on your same turn, succeed or fail, but now it's an action.



ADDENDUM: Groan. Just noticed two pages ago that chrisdosmil ruled this way as well. I was confused as the thread continued on for another two pages and it looked like there was still some debate. Nevermind.

Actually, that's not a good analogy at all, since break away rolls don't have anything to do with the discussion here, which chiefly centered around the use of the word "can."

And now I'm reminded that I hate how my article was edited...

2 pages ago? This thread is only on page 2 for some of us!

Which article? Can you comment at all on what was edited? I want to know so much more!

Considering that Sir Patrick Stewart Played both Captain Jean Luc Picard (who liked his Earl Grey tea) as well as Professor Charles Xavier, I had to laugh at this one.

Now on to relics and splitlip. I've been away for a while and I come back to this. The last time I checked relic rolls where once per game per character. Can someone point out to me where and when this changed exactly? Because the last time I checked it worked like this: So if we use Splitlip's power This enables people to make the once per game roll as a free action instead of a power action. Where does any of this say that it allows you to attempt a second roll for the relic? Because Once per game per character seems pretty clearly worded to me.

Like I said, I've been gone for a bit and if I've missed some rules change from Wizkids please point it out.

It changes with the 2014 core rules that were announced earlier this week: http://heroclix.com/announcements/wi...#axzz2vv5da0Zk