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I think you're being too restrictive here. If someone presents an interpretation on a rule and backs it with solid reference and sensibility, and I can't find anything wrong with that statement, I'll take it as correct.
I'm not saying I've got the right answer here, but I do tire of players saying "I'll only believe an Orange, even if they say the exact same thing you did!"
So far as I see, Iron Pharaoh is totally able to Pulse Wave through the Falcon.
So far as I see, Copycat can't steal a Prime if you already have one, and can't steal a Unique that's already present on Copycat's original force.
I think you're being to much of a buttet ball..or to critical. If someone is able to bring proof then yea but saying "yo man you can't kill my superman with katanas exploit weakness"...why.."I got an email man...I got an email" show me. "Here dog I copied it as a text msg" show me the email not copy paste. "I ain't gots no signalz" fine tyen give me your email and password (trolololo)..
All joking aside. If I'm shown proof then I'm fine but a simple I got an e-mail isn't good enough.
There's nothing in that trait that says you can't use Pulse Wave and there's nothing in Pulse Wave that states where its area of effect has to take place. I don't see why the area of effect can't be half of Iron Pharaoh's range with lines of fire drawn from the Falcon.
But would it also not be drawn from Iron Pharaoh too?
It does not call out HCrealms. It says in public forums that posts made by them are how the rules currently work and if two of them post conflicting information than to go with the most recent post.
Neither the Rulebook nor PG do that. It's exclusively in the CTR.
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Thank you, Dragon. I don't have the rulebook in front of me so I can't quote it, but that sounds right. I'm pretty sure it lists HCRealms in the back of the book (right before the Glossary, I think) as a reference option or one of the public forums... again, I don't have the rulebook in front of me, but I remember seeing it mentioned in the back.
Official documentation never once references hcrealms.
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Rules questions that come up outside of a tournament should be directed to the Rules Arbitrator. The rules arbitrator can be found online with the screen name Necromagus. Posts on message boards by Necromagus or an appointed Rules Deputy (Harpua, normalview, Quebbster, and vlad3theimpaler) are also legitimate means of rules communication. When two on-line posts conflict, the one with the later timestamp is deemed accurate. If an on-line post conflicts with any of the documents listed above, the document is deemed accurate. The rules team can also be contacted at [email protected].
Nowhere does it say that forum posts are more legitimate than emails, or that emails should be treated any differently. All it says is that forum posts are legitimate communication. Clearly, so is email.
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Justify to me why this thread is necessary and I'll keep it open..
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Nowhere does it say that forum posts are more legitimate than emails, or that emails should be treated any differently. All it says is that forum posts are legitimate communication. Clearly, so is email.
This is 100% correct. It doesn't say that forum posts are the only place to get rules information. It just says that it's also a place to get rules confirmation. Nowhere does it say that you can't get rules information from emails. Emails are perfectly valid forms of rules communications.
So far as I see, Iron Pharaoh is totally able to Pulse Wave through the Falcon.
So far as I see, Copycat can't steal a Prime if you already have one, and can't steal a Unique that's already present on Copycat's original force.
I agree with Iron Pharaoh thoughts. Makes sense.
I do not agree with Copycat thoughts.
If you can Mind Control a similar Unique or another Prime,
you should be able to take them with Copycat.
Even though it can last for awhile, Copycat's "switch" should still be considered temporary.
And if somebody has ruled that Fantomex Pulse Waving thru EVA kills it,
I do not agree with that ruling.
(although it wouldn't be the first time)
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Neither the Rulebook nor PG do that. It's exclusively in the CTR.
Official documentation never once references hcrealms.
Nowhere does it say that forum posts are more legitimate than emails, or that emails should be treated any differently. All it says is that forum posts are legitimate communication. Clearly, so is email.
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This is 100% correct. It doesn't say that forum posts are the only place to get rules information. It just says that it's also a place to get rules confirmation. Nowhere does it say that you can't get rules information from emails. Emails are perfectly valid forms of rules communications.
Please show me where it states that emails can supersede the written rules documentation.
You cannot because it does not say that and it never will. The "ruling" that someone posted here is in direct contradiction of the written rules. It is not a clarification on how something is to be used it is a direct contradiction. As such it is not a legitimate ruling per the rules documents themselves even if you want to make that false claim that email = forum post (which again the rules documentation does not support).
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I'm pretty sure Dragon has the Future keyword and Probability Control.
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Dragon is correct. Dragon is always correct. Never argue with a Dragon.
Please show me where it states that emails can supersede the written rules documentation.
You cannot because it does not say that and it never will. The "ruling" that someone posted here is in direct contradiction of the written rules. It is not a clarification on how something is to be used it is a direct contradiction. As such it is not a legitimate ruling per the rules documents themselves even if you want to make that false claim that email = forum post (which again the rules documentation does not support).
That is hugely subject to interpretation though.
Saying that Copycat can't steal a Prime doesn't contradict anything, unless you can quote the rulebook page that says explicitly that the limitation on Primes in only ever relevant for force construction. Since that is not anywhere written in the rulebook, there is nothing out of place with that being made as a "clarification" rather than a "rules change."
Ultimately, email-only is a terrible system. But trying to leverage the email-only to something less than forum posts in ridiculous. They are fully equivalent in terms of rules weight, and only different in terms of accessibility...or lack thereof.
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Justify to me why this thread is necessary and I'll keep it open..
Quote : Originally Posted by Girathon
It pissed me off all weekend rorschachparadox wasn't dead.
It's interesting when you read through the Area of Effect rules again, and then the Pulse Wave rule. Pulse Wave does not specify that Area of Effect is in fact centered around the attacking character. I could read it that I make a Ranged Combat Attack (if doesn't specify that I need to make an attack roll - nor that that attack is considered a Ranged attack). 'Each hit character' is the only thing telling me that I'm actually making an attack here.
In the absence of Pulse Wave telling me that the Area of Effect is actually centered around the attacking character, I could use Pulse Wave where ever I could legally count my Range from (since I draw lines of fire to everything within that half range.)
The Falcon lets me draw lines of fire from it.
It lets me count my Range from it.
Therefore, I can center my Area of Effect around the Falcon.
However, the Range through the Falcon is 3, so it will be locked at 2 if Pulse Waving from the Falcon's square.
From Iron Pharaoh's square is remains a range of 9, locked to 5 for Pulse Wave.
You could argue that the Falcon's max Range of 3, isn't a 'Range of 3', but more that no Range can be counted beyond 3. So, Iron Pharaoh could Pulse Wave with an area of effect of 5, but from the Falcon's square it is reduced to 3.