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10/08/2005, 11:49

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Okay, read the card again:

Card # PGD-059
Card Name Gravekeeper's Spy
Card Type Monster
Monster Type Spellcaster
Attribute DARK
Level 4
Attack 1200
Defense 2000
Is Effect Yes
Card Text
FLIP: Special Summon 1 Monster Card that includes "Gravekeeper's" in its card name with an ATK of 1500 or less from your Deck.

Rulings: You can select a Gravekeeper whose ATK would be higher than 1500 after being Summoned. For example, if "Necrovalley" is in play, you can use "Gravekeeper's Spy" to Special Summon another "Gravekeeper's Spy", even though its ATK will be 1700 once it is on the field.

I can summon Gravekeeper's Assailant, Gravekeeper's Spear Soldier, and Gravekeeper's SPy from my deck IN FACE UP ATTACK MODE! I was never cheating, you just didnt know the car's effect.

-Shane

10/08/2005, 16:34

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Ok I understand your deck now but I think some tweeks IMO would make it a tad bit better. Drop D.D. Warrior lady for swords of concealing light, A little more stall and evil won't hurt this deck and SOCL fits the theme. Now that you have more magic, Take out breaker and put in chiron. Your smart enough to figure out how to play him diffrently than Breaker.

Breaker = Fire and forget. You drop and and use is effect and now you got a dead card. Most people play him as such.

Chiron = Homing device. If played right Chiron can totaly wipe out your opponent of any or all M/T turn after turn. Most people says he sucks but then again they don't know how to use him right.

10/08/2005, 16:39

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Looks Awsome. I'm Not A Huge Fan Of Avarice, Though. Maybe A 3rd Solemn or Confiscation In It's Place?

10/08/2005, 17:44

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oh i know the cards effect since when i use it, i use it correctly. i never used it to summon another spy face down like a cheater. maybe YOU should learn how to use your own cards before you start talking down to people. dork! i can call people dorks right? or am i gonna get some more warnings??

10/08/2005, 18:09

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Thanks Ish for the suggestion, here is my suggestion:

- Magician's Circle
+ Dust Tornado

I think 1 Magician's Circle is enough, and Dust Tornado may help with Spell/Trap removal, and the 2nd effect is always good with the amount of Traps you run. I don’t really see why Vampire Lord is ran in your Gravekeeper’s deck I would sack it for a Magician of Faith, D.D. Assailant, or something along the lines.

Casper0878: I don’t know were you are getting this absurd ruling were Gravekeeper's Spy cannot summon another Gravekeeper's Spy with it’s effect but it CAN. Why are you doing all the fussing about Ishtar cheating when you can just post a thread in the Rules of Dueling forum asking your question and you will get confirmation whether or not you can.

10/08/2005, 18:26

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when the hell did i say that a spy cannot summon another spy? what i was talking about was that he summons another spy IN FACE DOWN DEFENSE and not face up attack or defense which is how it works. he was bringing them out face down and that is not how they work. i swear, read the posts

10/08/2005, 18:50

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Sorry Casper I overlooked one of your post's. Anyways you are correct, you CANNOT Special Summon a Gravekeeper in face-down defense position with the effect of Gravekeeper's Spy It may only be Special Summoned in face-up Attack Position or face-up Defense Position. The only time you can Special Summon a monster face-down defense position is when the card SPECIFICALLY states so. Examples of cards that Special Summon cards face down: The Shallow Grave, Cyber Jar, Morphing Jar #2, Spear Cretin. Sorry for invading the space but I hope this can be cleared up now. It also doesn't mean Ishtar was necesarilly cheating, people get confused with rulings all the time.

10/08/2005, 20:27

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When did I say I special summoned them in face down defense? Thats right, I didnt. I know how the card works. Please, point out to the post number in which I said that.....

-Shane

10/08/2005, 21:05

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Actually Casper...I reread the posts and I see where you may have though Ishtar said he special summons them in f/d DEF.

He said he sets Spy f/d and uses it to special summon another Gravekeeper...he never specifically said he special summons another GK Spy in f/d DEF that I can see.

10/08/2005, 21:07

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That is what I thought of first, but I thought someone could clearly understand it....I was obviously wrong. But still, I would like an apology for calling me a "dumbass" and "dork."

-Shane

10/08/2005, 21:23

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If a card doesn't specifically say it can Special Summon face down then it doesn't. Ishtar is a judge, he knows his stuff about these kinds of cards and their wordings. So Casper or whatever the moron's name is needs to shut up and get a clue. Twisting someone's words and calling them dumb when there isn't any clear evidence of that isn't professional nor does it show any sign of intelligence.

Realms has a far more dense population of knowledgable players than Pojo. So saying Pojo, or implying that it is anyway, better than Realms is pretty ignorant. Where do you think most of the members of Realms comes from? They come from Pojo and other site communities.

10/08/2005, 22:40

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Nice deck. Dont see anything to fix. Im not to use to gravekeepers decks so i wouldnt know what to fix. Agains Looks nice and thanks for the fix.

10/08/2005, 23:31

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I've never made a GK deck before but from what you have here it all looks pretty solid! I have to agree though that 2 Magician's Circle is a bit much. Consider putting in some other trap card in it's place (maybe BTH?). And considering all the ideas that have already been thrown your way and you have shot down...well I've really got nothing more to add! LOL! :p

I'd say 9/10. Looks great!

10/09/2005, 12:02

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Quote : Originally Posted by Ishtar

Thats one good deck no real immedate changes or weakness shown, ma ybe try

- Tsukuyomi
+ Cyber Jar

There really not anything I see worth flipping down. Instead addin a Cyber Jar to help swarm the field faster and more effectivly then normal.

Hope that helped.

Can you r/f my deck? Thanks.

~ Davis

10/09/2005, 14:43

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Only one magician circle.....i say you should run 2, helps the sworm.

SRG Rateing: 9.8/10

~Ronnie

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