I would say that's actually pretty accurate...

And for the record, ultimate Spidey looks like a ten year old anime freak... why the huge head and the tiny body?

Oh I love that fresh-kicks look. It looks pop, it looks like it is from the "new generation". The big eyes and big heads and the exaggerated features... like it is something from Muppet Babies meets street graffiti. I understand how the traditionalists might object, but I would love a Vs. set that was thoroughly modernized like that.

First, if they make an Ultimate Marvel Set, I hope they also include the 'other' revamp title, Supreme Power in there. It's cool to see the Squadron get some love ... with them they couldn't really revisit their universe since in the end it was pretty much trashed [They could follow up on the New World Order storyline, but to connect to any of that, you need to read the mini ... and that's pretty difinitive]. Supreme Power is taking the premise of the Squadron, keeping the character names, and starting from scratch. I think that's fine. I don't know MUCH about the Ultimate comic series ... but if they follow that sort of premise I'm cool with it.

As a reader of DC Comics primarily ... well, they're trying out something similar with the 'All Star' comics [not to mention Birthright].

I see the concept as being basically the movie/cartoon spin off books. Birthright tries to redefine Superman's origins as being closer to what it is in the series Smallville. The films, cartoons and other 'mainstream' elements have influences on what's going on.

And, at least for DC fans, there's already tons of contradictory stuff out there that people prefer. All Star Batman & Robin is cool ... but many will argue [and I agree] that Dark Victory is THE definitive 'Robin' origin story.

However, as long as the main titles stick true to the canon ... I'm all for alternative stories being in the mix. Crisis on Infinite Earths was because writers wanted to have their cake and eat it to. They wanted to be able to have the long storied continuity with which to build up their stories, but they also wanted to be able to reinvent the characters. In the case of say ... Superman, this wasn't feasible unless you had different Supermen on different Earth's at different times, etc, etc, etc ...

For the most part, the Ultimate/All Star thing should be fine, so long as they don't try to ret con the characters into the real universe. If the writers are clear about what is or isn't part of the canonical continuity, you can enjoy 'stories' that don't adhere to continuity seperately from those that do. [Although, even stories outside of continuity will both draw from some elements of the past ... and vice versa. Especially with many things in the DCU referencing things long gone since COIE, like multi colored kryptonite, power armour lex, etc ...]

For the most part, the fear is that if Ultimate Spider-man is succesful, the 'old' continuity of Spidey will get thrown out and Ultimate Spider-Man will be the equivalent of the post-Crisis Superman 'reboot' in the Man of Steel mini series.

No.

Sure. I'm not saying the Ultimate Universe is inherently bad. I'm just saying that people shouldn't pretend like it's something it isn't.

Let me ask you something, ukyo-rulz. What's the difference between an old character you never heard of returning and a new character being introduced to you? What's the different between the characters referencing a story that you've never heard of and the characters mentioning a past event that's never been written about before?

Is it so hard to muster up the small amount of deductive reasoning needed to figure it out yourself? Is it really necessary to have thorough knowledge of a character's entire history before you can enjoy that character?

Yes, the storyline about Iceman turning into into ice was crappy, but crappy stories are just a continuous problem with the X-books specifically and have nothing to do with accessibility. Yes, you didn't know that Iceman had a relationship with Polaris previously, but now you do, so what's the problem?

It's like what Bendis said in a recent interview. Too many comic fans want open and shut stories. The catalyst occurs, everything is explained to the reader down to smallest detail, and the new status quo is established. But that's not what on-going comic universes are supposed to be. That's something they could never be, not the Marvel Universe and not the Ultimate Universe. That sense of continuity, those unsolved mysteries, those loose ends, they're supposed to be there. They have to be there. Otherwise the universe can't grow, and if it can't grow, it becomes stagnant and dies.

That's the nature of the beast.

Hear hear.

I'm so glad I didn't ask, because I don't think anything I say could have led Bizarro to posting this.



Especially since I'm a fan of the Ultimate Universe, but not for the simplified stories. I'm a fan just because it has DIFFERENT stories. I don't always agree with what they do, but I read it for the stories I do like.

The other attractive part of Ultimate titles is that you don't (often) have to read outside them for a single story arc. Take for example the current Amazing Spider-Man story arc, which branches into 2 other Spidey titles. Ultimate books tend to stick within themselves, but there's not Ultimate Spider-Man, and Ultimate Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and Ultimate Peter Parker: Spider-Man, which are all required to follow the story.

an ultimate Vs set would be redundant, as the character would have the same mechincal effects as the real counter-parts, so wolverine has a goatee and banged jean grey- he still has claws and is as boring as ever. so collossus is gay, he is still a strong metal guy, the only changes would just be the custome, as we have seen on feral rage, having ultimate art is not a big deal.

I beg to differ. Your loyalty is to comic books and their myths, my loyalty is to comic characters and their aesthetics. Having Ultimate Longshot with a haircut in the books changed my life, and having it on a card would be an even bigger deal.

i am al for having different looks for cards, i am still waiting for alternate jean grey : marvel girl, to actually be in her marvel girl outfit

that green mini-skirt kept me warm on many nights during my formative years.

i also want cyclops, good ol'blue and gold suit during the jim less era.

so also want different looks, but i don't see a reason why we need to base an enitre set around queer eye for the straight mutant.

Rolling....just rolling. Stu has now officially put this thread on par with paper dress up dolls... so trendy...

That woudl be Kate & Leopold. Cute movie.

Hugh Jackman pretty much has it made. He is the 1/4 inch under the PERFECT height (6" 2&3/4"), aint a bad looking chap, and is an amazingly talented performer. Where you have to see him is in the taping of Oklahoma.

What I don't get is why they didn't actually get a tiny Canadian to do the part. Outside of the missing tooth, The Rabid Wolverine, Chris Benoit would have been perfect.


Anyway, the wolverine problem is best described by paraphrasing Shakespeare.

"If you live at Disney, eventually you get sick of the rides."


5 points on the Big Bear cool-ometer if you can find the orignal quote that I mangled

sorry, but i should have addresses this earlier...

Danm straight i did! I stole it just like i stole his dignity! and heed my words, no image files are safe from my wrath!

hide you gif's, jpg,s and bit's. my cyber sticky hands thrill on the 5 finger shuffled......

that did not come out the way i thought it would.

Hey! That's an idea! We could have punch-out clothes and wigs to dress up our favorite decks!

please no referencing beniot or wrestling, i am still getting over the death of eddie, and last night's raw.

Wolverine: "Sweet creamery butter. Is there anything more satisfying?"

Here, here. Even though I played with Psycho-Pirate in Sunday's South Florida Rain Check Sneak Preview tournament, this is a serious thread that cannot be hi-jacked.

I do love me some Dusty Rhodes. YARR!!!