Can anyone help me out with this? Hellllloooooo.....

I have been in a situation where some of my cards were damaged by my opponent shuffling them improperly. This is a problem, and shouldn't just be a what if problem. Not only did it take time out of the round, but the person who damaged them both wouldn't and couldn't replace them, so I was forced to drop for the tournement since some of my cards were the "marked" and I didn't have any more copies to replace them.

The hell?

If this is damaged in any sense more serious than 'bent a little, if you hold it up to the light' (in which case, dropping would have been your choice), I cannot see what kind of judge misruling would force you to drop...

I mean, I don't know for sure, but should the proper response be to issue you a proxy for anything damaged?

And as for damage they did, it's not the tournament's responsibility, but I'd think you could get them legally as a small claim.

Yeah, so, I get the bent card thing. Where are the rules on shuffling?

your opponent has the right to shuffle?

would people consider it cheatin if you were you split your plot twists characters up then weave them together to almost ensure no hands of no blue cards and then to use the aformentioned shuffles?

Rules for shuffling can be found here, as they relate to all UDE games, not just Vs.

The above question, about seperating card types, should be a pointless step, as your deck must be entirely randomized upon presenting it. Going into a draw knowing you are ensured a breakdown of plot twists, characters, etc. constitutes not sufficiently randomizing your deck.

Your opponent, upon presenting your (explicitly randomized) deck, may either shuffle for at least ten seconds, or provide a cut of the deck. If he/she shuffles, the owner may cut the deck once upon it being returned. If the opponent simply cuts, the deck may not be shuffled/cut further.

if a card says ''shuffle your deck'' do you ave to give your opponent a chance to do so?

in the team-up set it doesnt say shuffle your deck in the searches do you still have to?

Those are both covered in the comprehensive rules.

You always shuffle after searching (this I can't tell is new to the CRD or always been that way, but it's there). The deck's owner always shuffles the deck (even if they were not the searching player) after a search before presenting the deck to the opponent for shuffle/cut.

The policy clearly states that you may not take in excess of 30-seconds to perform these in game shuffles, so don't be unnecessarily formulaic about it, and you're opponent shouldn't have a problem.

what i dont understand is why 30 seconds? a guy at my local store shuffles until he has decided what he wants to do once the search is over... i once watched him shuffle for 3 1/3 mins

and that does not bother me in the slightest

While it does not bother you necessarily, in a tournament setting that is condusive to slow-play penalties.

Say you were in the last minute of your game, with your opponent ahead in endurance totals. He/she might have no way to physically win that turn, but allowing them to shuffle for several minutes while they 'think about what they want to do' could easily hand them the match.

The rules define such things so there is no room to argue in the few instances of abuse that might arise.

This isn't saying in a friendly game you can't do whatever you want (within reason). These are simply rules for tournament play.

Don't Bridge shuffle your opponent's deck. It is very rude to. A simple cut is suitable. I would knock a m*****f***** out over less. When people do it to me I ask them to please stop before swinging. But if they do it again...

Thanks for the ruling info. I missed that, since I was looking in the VS section only.

What's interesting is that while my separation and single shuffle, and subsequent presentation to my opponent had her telling me that it was borderline cheating, she then proceeded to shuffle my deck for more than a minute and a half. Looks like that was a no, no as well.

Good information to have, since I've never cheated a day in my life, and never will. Now that I know there are actual rules regarding this, I can avoid further miscommunications.

A simple cut is NOT sufficient. It does nothing to randomize the deck whatsoever, it does nothing to prevent cheating.

If you refuse to let your opponent or a judge shuffle your deck, you should be DQ'd. Period.

If you assault someone, you should be imprisoned.

Before any game, you present your deck to your opponent. At that time you are assumed to be saying, "This deck is completely randomized." Your opponent has the right to perform further shuffling, or perform a single cut (their discretion).

Since the deck is already supposed to be random, this is simply for opponent's piece of mind, to assure them that now there is no (ethical) way that you could have tampered with the order of cards in the deck.

Hmm.. wow, I didn't realize you were only allowed to cut once.
A lot of people cut twice or three times. Guess they should be shuffling instead.

Though someone at a WoW pre-release tried to tell me I'd get a game loss for shuffling his deck if it were a real tournament. :rolleyes: