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Originally posted by Eric Rage Uh, that's not how I read it. I read that as two segments, the one before and the one after the second "and."
-Members of this team ignore the effects of hindering terrain on movement, combat and powers. (Anti-stealth)
-Members of this team ignore the effects of team abilities. (No declaring me the target of your 2000AD/Ultimate X-Men bump, no making me roll for the Skrull, Danger Girl or KC TA if I want to attack, etc.)
that would mean they ignore
Hydra +1 attack bonus
Shield +1 damage bonus
MOE could not all attack if they are adjacent
Defenders defense bonus
and so on
and what about Pulse Wave which ignore TA's, but if this is so then the Ulimate TA should ignore pulse wave.....
Jeez. They actually wasted space with the Morlocks TA. What's the point? There were only about 10 important Morlocks TOTAL. Of which half people probably don't even remember/know the names of. Plus they're going to waste space probably on Unique Morlocks Storm and Marrow now. Yay.
Serpent Society? Nice way to give them all Phasing/Teleport, etc. so they can keep that slot open for other possible powers like Plasticity or Charge.
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I have to give Kaitouace points for hitting the nail on the head.
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So here I go adding to Kaitouace's sig again, but he hit the nail on the head. FOOM is very playable.
i'm seriously looking forward to the new Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Hulk and Ghost Rider (yay! now I can play as the new FF!).
It could only get better if we saw a big fig (ala bat sentry) Hank Pym (who hasn't shown up yet outside the le, wonder of wonders, for such a recognizable Avenger). Plus a new Hawkeye.
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He's so bad, he mak'a me mad
Un-fun Dad, un-fun Dad
He's a real cad, Un-fun Dad"
These abilities are neat.
And for you Ultimate X-Men hatahs:SHUT UP!
All the other X teams (Gen X,X fac,X force) will all be under the X-men banner. The ult X-men are different. Plus, what would be the point of calling the set "ultimate" when there would be only one ultimate comic team?
Originally posted by Cheng Wow, with interpretation like that, you'll never get nominated for the Supreme Court!
That would allow them to ignore all TA's. Somehow, I doubt that's the intended effect...
I'm guessing it is. I think if the entire point of the ability was to ignore the effects of hindering terrain on your rolls then it would read more similarly to the wording of the Team Superman ability. Why even mention TAs?
It may seem like nitpicking, but the second "and" would denote that the previous list is over and a new one is beginning. Otherwise, it would likely read "the effects of hindering terrain on movement, combat, powers and team abilities."
My money's on the power ignoring the effects of other TAs until I officially read otherwise.
Captain America: C'mere, let me get a closer look at that big gash on your cheek.
Bruce Banner: But I haven't got a gash on my cheek.
Im dissapointed that there is no New Warriors team ability. But there is always next set, plus Ghost Rider can still get FF team ability. I hope the Punisher borrows some team abilities like Spiral and Taskmaster. Sucks that we didnt get Marrow with the Morlocks team, but with the plus 1 ability I think they are going to bl0w. I also dont like the Serphant Society. They are taking away valuable space for Howard the Duck with the power cosmic.
While I'm happy about Serpent Society, I can't believe Ult. X-Men and Morlocks got team abilities before: Alpha Flight, Thunderbolts, Midnight Sons or even the Inhumans. This is ridiculous. How many decent Morlocks could there be anyway. Here is hoping the above mentioned all get team abilities in the future.
Oh, and is there any chance we'll get a sneak peek today? If so I hope for Ghost Rider or someone non- Ultimate we have not confirmed.
Does anybody else find the idea of a Swiss Army knife totally oxymoronic
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Originally posted by Eric Rage I'm guessing it is. I think if the entire point of the ability was to ignore the effects of hindering terrain on your rolls then it would read more similarly to the wording of the Team Superman ability. Why even mention TAs?
It may seem like nitpicking, but the second "and" would denote that the previous list is over and a new one is beginning. Otherwise, it would likely read "the effects of hindering terrain on movement, combat, powers and team abilities."
My money's on the power ignoring the effects of other TAs until I officially read otherwise.
The current wording of the Superman TA is exactly the same.
Originally posted by Kaitouace Jeez. They actually wasted space with the Morlocks TA. What's the point? There were only about 10 important Morlocks TOTAL.
I imagine that there will be generic REV Morlocks. The rookies and Exps will probably have some throwaway power like shape change or plasiticity, while the Vets might have a combat power. Their AVs would be low, but using a swarm will make them more combat viable.
Hmm, cheap tie up pieces with plasticity and the morlock power sounds pretty good actually. If the Vets had poison, they could make for a scary swarm.
The Ultimates wording is the same as the Superman TA. When they wrote "and powers and team abilities", it's only because they are grouping team abilities almost as a sub-set of powers, within the structure of the sentence. It is not written to mean there is a "break in the sentence" in order to introduce the "second part of the sentence".
Furthermore, the description goes on to say:
This team ability is often called “anti-Stealth” because it is best known for use against hidden characters. But it is also useful for grounded characters, who will not have to stop in hindering terrain during their Running Shot or Charge attacks!
Originally posted by ahole_derby The Ultimates wording is the same as the Superman TA. When they wrote "and powers and team abilities", it's only because they are grouping team abilities almost as a sub-set of powers, within the structure of the sentence. It is not written to mean there is a "break in the sentence" in order to introduce the "second part of the sentence".
Furthermore, the description goes on to say:
This team ability is often called “anti-Stealth” because it is best known for use against hidden characters. But it is also useful for grounded characters, who will not have to stop in hindering terrain during their Running Shot or Charge attacks!
They do not describe the TA as "anti-everything"
Not to mention the fact that they say two TA's are new to Marvel, and two are new to Hero Clix. Since Morloks and Serpent Society are new to Hero Clix...