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I'm starting to think that opening a game with a "pro tour/circuit" is a bad thing to do as everyone starts out expecting to win money.
Inevitably, this turns the game into a "job" and less of a game. Not enough people play the game for fun and learn to love the game for just the game.
There really was never a time for VS. players to just play the game. The same thing seems to be happening to Dreamblade albeit on a much higher accelerated pace and with much less $$$ on the line. Granted VS. is a much better game.
Magic had a big period of time(2-3 years?) where if you played Magic, you played it to have fun. There was no pro tour and most local tournaments were just peeps getting together for fun. In that essence, Magic was a pure game. At this point in time, their is such a HUGE casual player base that I don't think you could kill Magic off. It's almost to the point of being ingrained in the gaming "society".
As much as DC has the better books, Marvel has the fans. VS. System is a poor name for the game. It would have most likely been better off to just have the Marvel license and call it MARVEL:The TCG or something of the sort. Then when you tell people you play MARVEL they wouldn't look at you like what game is that as they do when you say you play VS.
It's always remarkable when someone does interpret your remarks correctly. Maybe try a Public Speaking class at the local community college?
bendrix, wait... what? I get to be Hello Kitty? Hell, #### yes!!! I ####ing LOVE Hello Kitty!!!
This is the best day of my life, someone kill me now before it goes downhill.
It must be the arro-pseudo-double-englis-babble I use to formulate my sentences. Here let me try this.
Stinky, dumb players bad. Less money poopy. Pro players good but not gooder for the game. Game hard. Much hard than Magic. Magic players are the stinky. En-kur love Vs players. But En-kur not love that there are not lots of them. En-kur wish more stupid or casual people played. En-kur not like the stupid smelly Magic casual player but wish they would buy Vs so he can have pro circuit back. En-kur think Stubarnes funny. If En-kur could spell the word hypocrite he might call someone that. But instead if say that person is a genuis. Which means very smart.
As much as DC has the better books, Marvel has the fans. VS. System is a poor name for the game. It would have most likely been better off to just have the Marvel license and call it MARVEL:The TCG or something of the sort. Then when you tell people you play MARVEL they wouldn't look at you like what game is that as they do when you say you play VS.
I read both, but I am partial to Marvel. But you make an interesting observation. I wonder why the Marvel seems to have the fans as you say?
In time, this game will be EASIER to be good at because the ridiculous net-decks will not be as good as before, and those players who took those decks and spent hours learning to be great at playing them (though they are still good and competitive players) will not have such a huge advantage.
Why are you people not calling this one out? He basically says that you are all stupid because the pros will not be around anymore tweeking decks and casual players will not make that much effort. :-P
It must be the arro-pseudo-double-englis-babble I use to formulate my sentences. Here let me try this.
Stinky, dumb players bad. Less money poopy. Pro players good but not gooder for the game. Game hard. Much hard than Magic. Magic players are the stinky. En-kur love Vs players. But En-kur not love that there are not lots of them. En-kur wish more stupid or casual people played. En-kur not like the stupid smelly Magic casual player but wish they would buy Vs so he can have pro circuit back. En-kur think Stubarnes funny. If En-kur could spell the word hypocrite he might call someone that. But instead if say that person is a genuis. Which means very smart.
LOL.
I esspecially like the "arro-pseudo-double-englis-babble". I am not sure I can say that safely, but I like it.
I told you, it's your charisma. I have never fully understood it. You are a dumpy, bald, closet-queen in a stupid redneck's body... and people ####ing adore you. You could come on these boards and announce a new flavor of Kleenex, and we would erupt into a lather immediately. Especially if it was pink.
I really wish you had the discipline to write every week. I would read it with unreserved relish, on any website whatsoever.
Math IS taught on a sliding scale. EVERYTHING IN SCHOOL is taught on a sliding scale. Wanna teach a 6 year old calculus while he's learning addition? Yugioh can easily be made with a sliding scale. Start with non-effect monsters, then move up to simple effects like discard 1 card. Then add another effect. With VS, you need to know most of the rules up front. Name me two different decks that are good for teaching kids or newbies most of the rules because they slowly include more rules as the game progresses?
And Wolverine IS a fan favourite, so why no big-name cards for Wolverine? He's popular enough! You can deny all you want, but someone as popular as Wolverine should have more cards dedicated to him. Perhaps even a decktype.
Yes Math is taught on a sliding scale, but you stil; start with 2+2=4 not 1+1= get the caculater to do the work for you.
Name two decks that help learn as you go. Okay, FF on a curve, and let's sat Doom. The old SS was not to bad either, even Sentinals.
(maybe you missed the whole biblical thing with me denying him) But he did have a big 7 drop in MOV, which do a lot of damamge to everything else. As for having more cards, there aree what? 4 from Origins, The new MTU has one, there was Patch from one set, and the last X-Men set had how many? How many do you need?
Why are you people not calling this one out? He basically says that you are all stupid because the pros will not be around anymore tweeking decks and casual players will not make that much effort. :-P
Well as you quoted:
Originally Posted by megatron78
"In time, this game will be EASIER to be good at because the ridiculous net-decks will not be as good as before, and those players who took those decks and spent hours learning to be great at playing them (though they are still good and competitive players) will not have such a huge advantage."
While I disagree on most aspects of his overall points, I will say that casual players will have a different direction that they will go into as deck building goes. I tend to see more experimental decks, Jank if you will, and more themed or team focused deck from my players. This will not always produce the fine tuned power decks that you see at PC events, but they put alot of effort and time into tuning their fun decks. While these style of decks don't always start out top notch, they get tuned and changed into much better decks. What I will say is that when they win or lose with their decks, it seems that they had fun and did not get so caught up in the "winning is everything" fever that I see in competative level play. (and for some, that is why they play at that level, because compatition is what is fun for them). Often I see better more imagined decks from casual palyers than I do from competative players, since the pro player tends to focus and second guess the Meta for that level of play. That tends to narrow the decks to a specific cross section aimed at the Meta. It also leaves other decks overlooked sometimes.
Why are you people not calling this one out? He basically says that you are all stupid because the pros will not be around anymore tweeking decks and casual players will not make that much effort. :-P
I never said anything about intelligence. My point is that it takes alot of time to be really good at this game. Most people don't have or want to spend the huge amount of time on this game that pros do. In addition, it takes a substantial effort of a great many people (pros), not just one or two, to push the envelope as much as it has been. The fact that a huge amount of people won't be spending a huge amount of time pushing the envelope and putting these super decks out there does not imply that if you don't, you are not intelligent. (I am one of those that don't, but I am not implying that I am stupid.)
I'm not sure why you are attacking me. Please don't try to transfer the bad feelings you earned onto me or paint my comments as an insult. I respect your opinions and I feel you have contributed greatly to this discussion, and I have not once attacked you for your comments as others have.
(maybe you missed the whole biblical thing with me denying him) But he did have a big 7 drop in MOV, which do a lot of damamge to everything else. As for having more cards, there aree what? 4 from Origins, The new MTU has one, there was Patch from one set, and the last X-Men set had how many? How many do you need?
But can he just have a character that really kicks A$$ like a Dr Light or Poison Ivy
No he gets crappy cards that barly see play even though he is in every comic in the Mavel Universe
I never said anything about intelligence. My point is that it takes alot of time to be really good at this game. Most people don't have or want to spend the huge amount of time on this game that pros do. In addition, it takes a substantial effort of a great many people (pros), not just one or two, to push the envelope as much as it has been. The fact that a huge amount of people won't be spending a huge amount of time pushing the envelope and putting these super decks out there does not imply that if you don't, you are not intelligent. (I am one of those that don't, but I am not implying that I am stupid.)
I'm not sure why you are attacking me. Please don't try to transfer the bad feelings you earned onto me or paint my comments as an insult. I respect your opinions and I feel you have contributed greatly to this discussion, and I have not once attacked you for your comments as others have.
I am not attacking you. I am actually going to learn from you. You can tell people they are dumb without actually saying "you are dumb." I jsut usually do not make the effort to do so.
I was only joking with my reply to your post. Please don't feel like I am trying to transfer any ill will on to you. You may not know much about me and my history on the Realms. I have taken far more heat than this for my inability to temper my responses.
I am not attacking you. I am actually going to learn from you. You can tell people they are dumb without actually saying "you are dumb." I jsut usually do not make the effort to do so.
I was only joking with my reply to your post. Please don't feel like I am trying to transfer any ill will on to you. You may not know much about me and my history on the Realms. I have taken far more heat than this for my inability to temper my responses.
OK, no hard feelings. Hard to see the smirk on the other side of the monitor. ;)
Even so, there was no implication on my part about intelligence whatsoever. I was just pointing out UDE's emphasis on the casual player vs. the pro player. As I said, I am not a pro, but I'm not calling myself stupid. :grin: