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You have a point that the bizarro map isn't an auto-win as is sometimes suggested, but I think you go too far in the other direction by saying it only matters against the team types you suggested.
One of the important things to consider is getting int he first shot. Being able to be given a move action and then a ranged combat action usually gives Master Mold a pretty significant swing range, but when he's stuck in the starting area, he's almost guaranteed to not get the first shot in against any kind of move and attack. And a single running shot+ pulse wave or even charge+ super strength and/or exploit weakness can knock him down from intimidating to mediocre pretty quickly.
More then fair enough response. I've noticed with MM that support or some form of healing in 300pts is almost essential. When you go above 300 he gets way easier to play. I think that bizzaro screws everyone. If you don't have hss and fly it is a bear. A running shot flyer with pulse wave is easy to have. I'm on a different elevation and can heal with Donald Blake. The first target for the team I gave has to be Donald Blake. That opens you up to retaliation from MM.
More then fair assessment on pulse wave and charge exploit. But for the map the figure will have to fly to navigate the elevations. That limits somethings a bit.
MM is not my go too team. But he is one of my more abuse figures for mainly 400pts and above.
Has anyone considered strategies in which being dealt damage is advantageous?
I've never seen All-Star Bizarro used too often, if only because he hasn't had much synergy with other characters until Mole Man and cheap TK (Brune Wayne, Enchantress, Scarlet Witch) became more readily available in Modern Age play. Just add Charge (Crimson Gem/Nova Helmet), and he's golden.
Monster Theme
M006 All-Star Bizarro
GG026 Mole Man
SM036R Composite Superman @ 80 points
+ Nova Helmet
Has anyone considered strategies in which being dealt damage is advantageous?
I've never seen All-Star Bizarro used too often, if only because he hasn't had much synergy with other characters until Mole Man and cheap TK (Brune Wayne, Enchantress, Scarlet Witch) became more readily available in Modern Age play. Just add Charge (Crimson Gem/Nova Helmet), and he's golden.
Monster Theme
M006 All-Star Bizarro
GG026 Mole Man
SM036R Composite Superman @ 80 points
+ Nova Helmet
TOTAL: 286
As much as I would like to see a team like that be competitive at a high level, I don't think it will happen.
After Captain America came out, I really, really wanted to make a team with Maelstrom competitive. But I just couldn't make it work against any tough competition. Figures that "Hulk up" can be great against an opponent that doesn't know the dial, but players that do know the dial can really ruin your day. And as the competitiveness of your team increases, so does the likelihood of your opponent being familiar with the dials.
For All-Star Bizarro, for example, I don't even need to look at his dial to have a pretty good idea of how to play against him, because I know he's the top 7 clicks of Icons Superman in reverse, and I know the Icons dial because of how popular he was. And the abysmal attack/defense values on the opening click aren't enough to make up for the nice damage value and reducers. All that damage doesn't mean anything if he can't hit.
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After Darklogos' post with the team that had the gcpd cruiser and super girl I began tinkering with ideas for potential meta teams. One that i thought might actually get things done is as follows:
GCPD cruiser-68
GCPD officer-40
Alfred (BM 031)-42
Dark Phoenix-100
IG (full) on cruiser
So point here is you have the cruiser with both pilot abilities available along with being equiled with the IG. With 11 clicks of life and the power to use steal energy and heal 2 clix with a ko(or choose to use regen on power 2/3) it wont be that easy to ko. Also once the power 2/3 shows up if you chose HSS on the car you can hit one guy with an attack and hit the other with your piloted ability. Phoenix is good back up, pulse wave along with outwit will deffinately help, especially with the changing meta. Alfred is there because I had to chose between him or scarlet witch. For this team I think alfred will do really well with his "ranged" healing, perplex, and indom.
Note: I havnt tried this team, but I most probbably will
After Darklogos' post with the team that had the gcpd cruiser and super girl I began tinkering with ideas for potential meta teams. One that i thought might actually get things done is as follows:
GCPD cruiser-68
GCPD officer-40
Alfred (BM 031)-42
Dark Phoenix-100
IG (full) on cruiser
So point here is you have the cruiser with both pilot abilities available along with being equiled with the IG. With 11 clicks of life and the power to use steal energy and heal 2 clix with a ko(or choose to use regen on power 2/3) it wont be that easy to ko. Also once the power 2/3 shows up if you chose HSS on the car you can hit one guy with an attack and hit the other with your piloted ability. Phoenix is good back up, pulse wave along with outwit will deffinately help, especially with the changing meta. Alfred is there because I had to chose between him or scarlet witch. For this team I think alfred will do really well with his "ranged" healing, perplex, and indom.
Note: I havnt tried this team, but I most probbably will
I like the powers (PW and the car's auto-damage, lots of Willpower), and the support is there. The AV and Dmg values are a little lacking. You have the Perplex to boost one but not both effectively. I think it will do well against similarly built teams, but will probably be an uphill battle against a brick that can take 1-3 damage and dish out 3-5 back.
Relying on the Soul Gem or banking on consistently hitting 19/20 defenses is letting too much luck factor in.
My H/W link does not reflect the wants for my collection, it is a list of figures that I already have, but still "want" to play.
I like the powers (PW and the car's auto-damage, lots of Willpower), and the support is there. The AV and Dmg values are a little lacking. You have the Perplex to boost one but not both effectively. I think it will do well against similarly built teams, but will probably be an uphill battle against a brick that can take 1-3 damage and dish out 3-5 back.
Relying on the Soul Gem or banking on consistently hitting 19/20 defenses is letting too much luck factor in.
Well alfred can also use support so its not just the gem. But you are right about going against a brick. But thats essentially the case with any team, always some kind of weakness, just like pokemon lol
Can this be built?
A primary attacker in the 125 pt range with HSS/RS and PW or PPB that's also a flier or ignores terrain.
A secondary attacker in the 80-100 pt range with long ranged attacks and a form of damage enchancement like PPB / RCE
A support character with TK
All with a theme team bonus ?
Can this be built?
A primary attacker in the 125 pt range with HSS/RS and PW or PPB that's also a flier or ignores terrain.
A secondary attacker in the 80-100 pt range with long ranged attacks and a form of damage enchancement like PPB / RCE
A support character with TK
All with a theme team bonus ?
Off top of my head...
125 Iron Man (ignores relic/resource)
98 Hawkeye (RCE on most clix)
75 Scarlet Witch
298
Dedicated Prob, 2 theme prob, 2 perplexes, TK, good attack and range values.
but i do like this team idea
100dark phoenix
123professor x
66 armor
11 UB on prof x
I like i like, here's my modded version
Scientist theme
Proff x+UB (use 4 items)-134
Tony stark (cw)-41
Hulk(ma10a)-87
AIM agent-38
Total-300
So its a typical prof x team, but what i like is the synergy tony and hulk have. If u ae to the iron man from the FF, hulk actually lets u use tony starks "live" click since hes got avengers and costs more! And in return u have an iron man with RCE and anti stealth whos friend is a hulk that can become the world breaker while prof x shoots from every where! O and theme
:D
Scientist theme
Proff x+UB (use 4 items)-134
Tony stark (cw)-41
Hulk(ma10a)-87
AIM agent-38
Total-300
So its a typical prof x team, but what i like is the synergy tony and hulk have. If u ae to the iron man from the FF, hulk actually lets u use tony starks "live" click since hes got avengers and costs more! And in return u have an iron man with RCE and anti stealth whos friend is a hulk that can become the world breaker while prof x shoots from every where! O and theme
:D
i feel like a team with a 150+point beatstick will just run through this before you can ae or promote just not enough oomph and it reliies on to many variable