I don't get it either. 2099 is better than MAria Hill again.

Apocalypse went into the Legendary store, so it's horde-cracking time. When I last cracked on 5/25, I was left with 34 LTs and 0 CP). phantalien was curious to know how I accumulated LTs for my horde, so I started tracking:

Legendary Tokens Earned
04/29 #34 - Starting Bank
04/30 #35 - 3* Rocket & Groot up to level 167
04/30 #36 - 3* Black Widow up to level 227
04/30 #37 - 3* The Hulk up to level 227
04/30 #38 - 3* Wolverine up to level 227
04/30 #39 - 3* Captain America up to level 239
05/03 #40 - Crash - Quake vs Invisible Woman
05/04 #41 - VIP - Day 12
05/05 #42 - 3* Falcon up to level 167
05/06 #43 - 4* Gamora up to level 330
05/07 #44 - Crash - Iron Fist vs Elektra
05/09 #45 - 3* Angel up to level 257
05/10 #46 - 3* Doctor Octopus up to level 257
05/11 #47 - 4* Venom (Eddie) up to level 300
05/12 #48 - 3* Loki up to level 266
05/13 #49 - Crash - Nick Fury vs Magneto
05/13 #50 - 3* Beast up to level 167
05/14 #51 - 4* Miles Morales up to level 310
05/14 #52 - SHIELD Resupply - Day 2369
05/15 #53 - 4* Juggernaut up to level 330
05/16 #54 - 3* The Hood up to level 257
05/16 #55 - 4* Karnak up to level 290
05/17 #56 - Crash - Venom (Eddie) vs Carnage
05/18 #57 - 4* Northstar up to level 290
05/19 #58 - VIP - Renewal
05/22 #59 - Sale - 4 LTs/7 Mighty
05/22 #60 - Sale - 4 LTs/7 Mighty
05/22 #61 - Sale - 4 LTs/7 Mighty
05/22 #62 - Sale - 4 LTs/7 Mighty
05/23 #63 - Crash - Thanos vs 4* Captain America
05/24 #64 - 3* Sentry up to level 257
05/24 #65 - 4* Super Skrull up to level 280
05/25 #66 - 3* Gamora up to level 167
05/25 #67 - Webbed Wonder Vault
05/25 #68 - 3* The Punisher up to level 257
05/26 #69 - 3* Psyclocke up to level 167
05/26 #70 - 3* She-Hulk up to level 255
05/26 #71 - 3* Elektra up to level 266
05/26 #72 - 4* Nova up to level 320
05/27 #73 - Crash - Juggernaut vs 4* Thor
05/27 #74 - Welcome to SHIELD lvl 04
05/29 #75 - 3* Spider-Man up to level 266
05/29 #76 - 4* Howard the Duck up to level 290
05/30 #77 - 4* Carnage up to level 290
05/30 #78 - 4* Maria Hill up to level 280
06/01 #79 - Crash - Sandman vs BIB Spider-Man

Horde Redemption
Toons Before
0/2/3 Hulk (550 Shards and faved)
0/0/0 Yelena (400 Shards)
0/0/0 Apocalypse (455 Shards)

Horde Cracking
Goal: Get Hulk to 13 covers

Opened 77 tokens, got 18 epic covers (just under 1:4, so NO complaints)

Results
2/6/5 Hulk (781 Shards)
0/1/1 Yelena (400 Shards and faved)
0/1/2 Apocalypse (455 Shards)

LTs remaining: 2. CP remaining: 816 (untouched)

Ok, so Apoc hit the LLs, and I did my openings.
LL Toons Begin
Hulk 1/1/1
Yelena 1/0/1
Apocalypse 0/1/0

It took 154 pulls to get Hulk champed. He was 4/5/3 plus shards for #13, no saved covers.

Shard strategy
Began with Okoye (5* - level 459) and Worthy Cap (4* - level 303).
Kept Cap favorited the whole time. I debated doing some other 4*, like my Lockjaw is at 380/400, but just decided not to do that.
Kept Okoye until she hit 500, then I switched to the 3 LLs and dropped them as they hit 500, then I switched back to Okoye.

LL Toons End
Hulk 5/5/3 - champed, but no extra levels (need to decide on his best build)
Yelena 3/7/4 - was 3/7/3 naturally but used the shards*
Apocalypse 2/4/3 - Saved his shards for later

Pull rates
Hulk - 9 covers (plus an applied shard cover)
Yelena - 11 covers (plus an applied shard cover)
Apocalypse - 8 covers (plus an unapplied shard cover)

Total 28/154 5* covers, so an 18% pull rate versus an expected 14%.
Or one 5* per every 5.5 pulls versus the expected one per 7.

Streak Info
Longest drought - 13 4*
Best streak - four 5* in 7 pulls (5-4-5-4-5-4-5), but also had two other 5-4-5-4-5 streaks.
No back-to-backs.

Bonuses
4x 4* bonus, all 50
1x 5* bonus, 50

Resource Tracking
Begin:
ISO - 4,611,337
HP - 20,035
CP - 6,652
LT - 107
Potential pulls: 373

After applying the 154 opened covers:
ISO - 4,726,837 (+115,500)
HP - 23,035 (+3,000)
CP - 5,739 (-913)
LT - 8 (-99)
Potential pulls: 237 (-136)

After applying earned shard covers and leveling/champing the LLs**:
ISO - 3,479,517 (+1,131,820)
HP - 23,385 (+3,350)
CP - 5,772 (-880)
LT - 10 (-97)
Potential pulls: 240 (-133)

So going back to a discussion from a while back, I used 154 pulls and regained 21 pulls from the spoils.

* - I like to save the shards if there is a potential need to make use of the wild-card aspect. Here I was looking at a 3/5/3 build, so applying the shards has no impact on getting her to 13 covers, so I went ahead and used it on Yelena. With Apoc still having a way to go, I decided to hang onto his in case I would need a specific color once he gets near 13.

** - The various shards earned either through champ levels or opening got me:
4* Worthy Cap champ levels (x6)
5* Okoye champ level
5* Cable champ level
5* Archangel champ level
5* Kitty Pryde champ level
5* Hulk slot
5* Yelena slots
5* Apocalypse slot (saved)


Side note
Something I did not track was my Shield Level, BUT I had just flipped to 198 this morning. I had maybe 35-50 points towards the next level.
After all was said and done, I'm now sitting at 7,787/11,474 towards 199.

Also, a guy in our alliance who had maxed out his levels at 200, said that they have apparently expanded them. He is now at 207.

Nice pull rate. I thought my 1:5.5 was nice.

I'm not going to track where things come from, but I'm going to try and remember to look back at my above post next time I do a spree just to get a better idea of how many pulls I earn between now and then.

Like, right now I'm stopping at 240 pulls, so maybe next Monday (or every Monday between now and then) I'll try to remember to figure out my pulls.
I'll have to also try and note any expenditures, like if they have a tempting special store when I spend a few pulls.


As a side note, I like that I have seemed to have gotten a little closer to being back in my comfort zone as far as my progress on LL toons.

For a while I seemed to be at a weird spot where I would have all three LL toons fully champed. Then I would have to wait through a full cycle before I could justify spending LTs. The problem there is that I would have VERY weak versions of the newer guys until I could hit a spree.
Like, I had BRB, Sinister, and Havok all fully champed when it was the three of them in the LLs.
So I had to wait until they all left before I could pull again. The result is that I've been working with a 1/1/1 Hulk since he came out (and a 1/0/1 Yelena and a 0/1/0 Apocalypse).
Now I've got Yelena pretty close to being done, and Apocalypse is solidly in the middle of his progress.
So I should be able to make a small spree with the next rotation. That will hopefully finish Yelena and leave Apocalypse close to complete with the new guy somewhere in the middle.

The long-term end result is the same in that everyone winds up champed in the long run.
The big difference is that the LL guys can actually do something and contribute when they are featured, which happens more while still in LLs.
In other words, I have been carrying Immortal Hulk around as dead weight at his 1/1/1 for what, like 3 months? I should not have that as much with Apocalypse.

I think 5 Green is a gimme. The question then becomes how to lay out black and red. I'm thinking 5/3/5 because I don't care overly much for him to have increased health when he resurrects (and 5 black jumps to 63% as opposed to 3 which is 42%). That allows red to do maximum damage.

Yeah, I saw that jackstar had his at 535, too, and looked at what you get. That red hits like a truck at 5.

My pull list is less than you guys but it got the job done.

15LLs 860 CP
--down to--
1 LL and 760CP (the LL was a reward from a 3*)


19 pulls got me
2 Apoc (red yellow)
2 Hulk(red green)
1 Yelena(red)
and 14 4*s.
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That's 1 out of 3.8 getting a 5*. Those odds are phenomenal.

I only wanted to get 1 cover for each toon so I can participate in PVE. The "dream" is to get 1 of each cover for each toon but I really reserve that for toons that I really want. The last toon for that was BRB. I am pretty sure I will do it with Apoc but I will wait a bit longer until Hulk is out of rotation -or- I just feel like opening more LLs.

I wish there were faster ways to get 4*s. They are so plentiful that it is hard to get the old ones. Thankfully I can always get 13 covers for the new ones. That means I need to pull them from tokens; Heroic, Mighty, LL/CL. Pulling 4*s from heroic and mighty tokens is not so easy especially since mighty tokens are rather sparsely disbursed and the odds from a heroic.

20+k HP and still waiting for that roster slot sale.

Rumor has it we will be getting an advanced support token today.
No complaints about that.
For me, I think I'll probably hold onto this one until next season. There's nothing much in this current store's selection that I would want to bulk up over other supports that are out there.
I mean, yeah, there is good stuff in there. Ebony Maw and Shuri's Lab are among my favorite supports, but I have 4*s on both of them already. Atlantis is good, but I have it at 3* which gets me access to the free green.
In any case, I just think that waiting for some other selections would be my best approach.

There's also a $30 HfH offer that includes 3 advanced support tokens. But 30 bucks for:
ISO: 15,000
HP: 1,500
CP: 2 (for alliance as well)
RISO: 50,000
Advanced Support token: 3

Just ain't worth it for me. If the HP were close to 3K I'd consider it.

Advanced tokens are hard to come by, so there is that going for the deal.
I generally use Logan's Loonies as a litmus test for these deals, but this is a harder one, imo.

Granted I have not been playing as long but I am sick of getting duplicate supports already. I am not going to pay $30 at a chance I might be able to pull one. If they were 3 master support tokens it may be a different consideration.

Pretty sure master support tokens are myths.

I did get a Victorious 3*, which was fairly cool. I've pretty much gotten used to just getting repeats and not new ones.

Who is up for a crazy idea?

I am not sure of the release for toons but what if they actually release some more 3*s?

Then the releases would be 4-5-3-4-5-3. The 3's would be economical versions of a 4* or 5* that just aren't the best. I would love to have 3* Silver Surfer and Talos would have been an excellent 3* when it first came out.

Just wanting something different by creating newer feeders and toons that can be quite attainable while allowing people invested in 4*s and 5*s a little more time to get their 13.

Crazy idea #2
Change CLs and LLs. CLs will cost 15 CP but will only have toons released from the beginning of the game until this date 1-year-ago (2019)
As for LLs they would have all 4*s. They would also have all 5*s released until 1-year-ago but the newest 3 toons have a 25x increase in pulls.

As someone trying to ease back into the game after a bit of a hiatus, I would favor the LL pull odds you suggest. Not having essential 5-stars is going to be a headache. Ah well, I needed the break.

Also a question for anyone who plays in SCL 10. How much will I get crushed if I try SCL 10?