Other than Iron-Man, who are you talking about here?

Well said Jacinb. While I understand the pro-reg side, and see how the series could have been about good vs good, it clearly is not that way any longer. It's obvious that several key players on the pro-reg side are having moral dilemmas about how things are playing out. Defectors from Cap's team are simply giving up the fight now that it's obvious the pro-reg team is playing for keeps. There is definitely an evil streak in the pro-reg side that is ruining the "Who's side are you on?" aspect of the tale.

Tony, clearly. But, more generally, anyone who has signed up to join him and fight against their own friends and family at the behest of SHIELD falls into the same category.

Someone previously made mention of the Pro-Registration side being Nazis. While I tend to disagree with the generality of it and see failings in many of the comparisons, to further that example, the 'heroes' fighting for Tony -- everyone from Spider-Man to Ms. Marvel -- are doing so because 'It's the law.'

Beyond that, there has been very little discussion, rationalization, or explanation given as to why many of the characters have chosen the side that they have. Now, in Nazi Germany, it was the law that teenage males join the Hitler Youth, and many of those teens were conscripted for service into the German Army because, as is the case in Civil War, 'It's the law.'

Does that excuse, or the similar 'I was just following orders,' somehow excuse the 'heroes' who are now battling their friends, in this most recent issue, to the death? Are they not, at a minimum, condoning the actions of Tony Stark and, in some regards, the murder of Goliath simply by their continued, willful participation in the Registration Act program?

I say no.

Marvel has always had grimmer, grittier heroes than what are typically found in the DC Universe. And, perhaps I still tend to hold my heroes to what seems to be DC's 'higher standard.'

But, just as the DC heroes did not condone Wonder Woman killing Max Lord -- who was clearly evil -- I cannot stomach the former 'heroes' who are serving on the Pro-Registration side continuing to serve alongside Iron Man and/or the Thor clone after the murder of Bill Foster -- who has, to my knowledge, always been a good guy -- simply because 'It's the law.' It's intolerable.

We're supposed to believe that Spider-Man is the only one, of all of those heroes, who turns because of it? Sorry, that just doesn't fly.

Re-read the first post.


Also, JacinB is right.


AND, ALSO...

This was the worst executed comic--SO FAR--since the Clone Saga.

Mark...my...words.

Stark's a douchebag.

Yay I'm right sometimes!

The Invisble Woman and the Human Torch have actually left the pro-side while Spider-Man, Hank Pym, and a few others have their faith wavering. Cap also made the point that with the death of Goliath there will be an influx of heroes joining his ranks as people see the methods employed by Tony. To a lesser degree, even Tony had some help restablishing his stance at Goliath's funeral. I hope that flies for you.

As for my own opinion on the book, I really enjoyed it. I personally don't have much trouble with the characterization as some people do, and while I generally agree the pro-side is being villified more and more, I don't think either side came off well by the end. Everyone has mentioned the pro-side's actions so far, but I've found the anti-side to be a little rough following the aftermath of the big fight. Cap is leading his side like an army, expecting them to put their lives on the line to be super heroes. While I certainly believe in what he's fighting for, it is a bit of a large request to lead people into what seems like a dead end. His unwillingness to compromise makes him a great character sometimes, but it also makes it harder for characters like the Young Avengers to relate.

I also liked what looks like the New Thunderbolts as more of a Suicide Squad type team. Oddly enough, I might be picking up the title now if it has both Taskmaster and Bullseye in it. The Thor clone was an odd choice...though I'd like to see where it goes before forming an opinion. I'm guessing the upcoming Thor ongoing series won't be starring the clone.

I'm curious as to where you're getting that from, that the heroes that are pro-registration are pro-reg because it's the law.

Spider-Man is doing it because he thinks it's the right thing to do, that and he has a recent close bond with Stark.

I think the major justification that Stark, Reed, Pym, and those heroes who follow them are using, is that it's better to have an organized, trained super powered force than a few normal dudes who were bitten by a radioactive whatever.

For instance, who would you rather have run to your aide if you were being stuck up, Bill Gates or Bruce Lee? An average Joe or a trained marine?

Think, why is it that Daredevil, Iron Fist, and Shang-Chi can hang with Spider-Man? It's because he doesn't really know how to fight. If he was a well trained combatant, his fights would be over in half the time they normally are.

This is what the Super Hero Registration Act is seeking to give to the heroes. A paid job (Spidey doesn't have to worry about a deadline or calling a sub), protection for the heroes family (Spidey doesn't have to worry about Aunt May or MJ), combat training (Spidey doesn't have to worry about the Batroc Brigade), and connections (really Spidey, Morlun's been slapping you around for an entire day, don't worry, SHIELD has your back).

The Registration Act is about helping the Super Heroes be better Super Heroes.

I just read issue 4. It's lame, in my opinion. Everything is falling apart and I'm not a fan...

Thor killed friggin' Bill. #######s.

Ugh. I can't say how pissed off I am.

Ugh. These "heroes" are a bunch of villains, and that's how they've been written from the start. Like you've all said, this is not "Who is right?"

We KNOW who is right. This is just...ridiculous. I'm sorry, Millar, but you turned this amazing concept into this amazing pile of ####.

Batman .

Well from the outside its really easy to judge. If you were one of them, in that situation...which side would you choose. The one where you are obeying the law, getting paid, and being ensured safety for your loved ones OR becoming a big target for Thor to blast while fighting for what you know is right abandoning everybody you know in fear of losing them? Do you has what it takes? Do you has five bucks?! GIVE ME FIVE BUCKS!!!

and i was a hank hall fan too

Especially since I'm pretty sure Reed killed the Thor Clone. Or at least that is what it looked like to me.

GUILTY.........as charged

It was the spirit of the comment, really overkill as an analogy. Sorry 'bout that folks.

Read the latest interview on newsarama by Millar and Breevort. While I believe Breevort to be a spineless, irritable sucka, I do like to listend to Millar speak, even if I detest his politics. If they would write the book for the Pro's like they talk about them it might make the book good.

Thor Clones :disappoin Yikes.

I still say they delayed to make the Pro side look less evil