Agreed. As a longtime fan, I've come to accept that there will be ups and downs in terms of storylines and art. What I will NOT accept is the constant delaying of books that I purchase and subscribe to. If you can't get it out on time, DO NOT SOLICIT it until you can. They seem to ignore this, however, in the name of bringing in creators with great marquee value but horrible scheduling.

Joe Q don't have a crew. Joe Is-crew.

Skrull Kill Crew?

Mr Queseda is the Captain of the Uss Marvel and that ship is sinking. The Death of Captain America was the clincher for me. The way he is running the Company and what he is doing top the characters of the Marvel Verse that he was entrusted to is in shambles and very broken. Can he fix it? sure he can but will he or does he want to? I don't think so. From the rather arogant Interviews I have seen he thinks he's doing a great job.

I can agree, but only to a limited extent. The stories that are pulling in the big numbers right now are very much jump on points. Most of the comic shop people, and comic fans I know (Offline) thing Joey Q's Marvel is one of the best thigns going on.

Civil War has made alot of people I know who had no interest in comics start picking up many different books, to learn about the charactors. This could pan out to be like the 90's. But I'm not seeing people buyign the Death of Cap or Civil War becuase they think those issues will be worth alot. I see them buying them becuase of a true interest in the story and charactors.

As I said I don't personally like the direction he's taking Marvel. But remember al lthe people talking bad about Joey Q are the vocal minority of the internet.

I never said the complaints weren't legit. I know the complaints. I have complaints too. But for me it's not enough to go to the extreme of calling for blood. There's always two sides of the story, and I tend to try to see things on both sides. It's easier to blame him than to see why he's still in Marvel despite all the outcry on the net. [Now to wait for all the bashing to my posts]...

Finally someone else who's been seeing comic book stores with people who think Joey Q is the best thing to happen at Marvel! You and me must be going to the wrong stores.

okay, let me see if I am interpreting the last 6 pages of info correctly...

Brubaker can't think of a good story to write for cap, SO HE ####ING KILLS HIM??????!!!!!!

If you can't think of a story for cap, make an announcement, tell the truth, say "We don't have any good ideas for cap stories, so rather than churn out an inferior product, we will wait until we have something worth publishing to release further issues" in the meantime, have cap go chill in paris with the thing, it would help expand his horizons, he could avoid the war instead of fighting it, because you can't even tell who the enemy is anymore.

I seem to remember a quote from Neil Gaiman that strikes me as appropriate: "A writer is like a lover to life, life being a woman, and bad writer rapes her, touches her rarely, roughly, and leaves her broken and bleeding when he is done. A good writer is like a gentle lover, touching her often, gently, not grabbing her by the throat and beating her into submission, so when the story is done, both parties are satisfied." Does anyone remember where that's from?

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I think my big problem with Joe Q./Marvel and to a lesser extent DC/DiDio is the fact that we have sooooooo many "watershed" moments nowadays....it makes everything else "seem" less significant. Although that's up to you.......

DisAssembled to The Other to House of M to 198 to Civil War.

Carp to carp to carp to carp. All badly told. All "significant" to the major characters of their respective universe. All "breaking the internet in half".

And perhaps that's why DC gets the pass. DiDio just isn't as much a loudmouth as Quesada. Sure Infinite Crisis' ending was not good, the reason for Jason Todd coming back.....c'mon. But I never read DiDio going apestool crazy hyping beyond what it could ever be. And even with the lousy reasons/ending....I'm ok with it.

Maybe that's it right there for me. how therapuetic!?!?!?!?!?!

And that's why JoeyQ should go. For me, anyway. He and his stable don't deliver what he says it should. And that's a failure. The rock star writers and artist he keeps (millar specifically and mcNiven apparently) should never get passes like they do. (Don't bring up Heinberg on WW, all you Zombies...I know it happens on both....either is unforgivable to me). It's the "producers" job to keep "talent" in line. Joe fails there, too.

Who cares when you can write a story with no deadline?

I, for one, sure don't.



And let it be said here that Quesada won't be fired. He'll step down first for health reasons.

When you bring up Cap there still isn't anything showing that it was done purely for shock value and to sucker people in. It was certainly heavily promoted, but has the second issue even come out yet? Has the story even finished? I don't know how fair it is to write off a story from a proven writer as pure sensationalism.

The quality of stories in general can always be debated. Personally, I thought JMS' run on Amazing Spider-Man was mostly lame, but sales for the title have been consistently higher then any of the runs in the 90s. Unless all the readers are masochists (like me with that title) I think it's fair to assume they're liking it.

I'll agree with you once sales start dropping substantially. Until then, there isn't any proof that people at large aren't enjoying what they're reading, only that you aren't.

I didn't bring up Cap - I didn't say "assassination of a character", I said "character assassination in Civil War". In other words: the poor characterization we saw on both anti- and pro-reg sides, the silliness with Captain Mar-Vell's character, etc. I realize what I wrote could have been miscontrued though so I probably should have phrased it differently.

Or maybe I should have read it more carefully. Sorry about that. I guess I should have reordered that so it was directed towards other people who have mentioned it.

My favorite character for most of my life was Cap. Spiderman also ranked high on that list, as did the FF. However, all of these have been ruined for me now. Is Cap dead? No, of course not. He died off panel. Off panel! But this whole New Avengers/Civil War/Illuminati thing has destroyed my love of Marvel comics. I blame JQ for it.

Under Joe:

Spiderman became a sycophant weak willed wussy. He some how forgot what happened to him when one villain learned his identity (Gwen Stacy anyone).

The Avengers became ... I don't know what but it's not the Avengers.

The FF ... bah.

The Illuminati...

At least there is great stuff happening at DC. JSA, JLA, Titans, Manhunter, Batman books, Superman books (there's a surprise), Wonder Woman and a few smaller titles. Of course, we've had to endure the pointless kill off of heroes too.

Back to point, Marvel comics such these days! Thanks Joe.

Ok.
Joey Q stinks on ice.