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OK, I am going to take this out of the rules to try and explain my point. If deadman takes someone over, eventually that person regains control. Unharmed. The point I am trying to make with the last argument is that even though I have been taken over by Deadman, my time limit is not up. So I should get the opportunity to claim my character back. I was never defeated just temporarily detained. There is a difference.
If Deadman or Jericho possesses your last character, after the possession action resolves, you no longer have any characters on the map. The possessed character is now on your opponent's team.
OK, I am going to take this out of the rules to try and explain my point. If deadman takes someone over, eventually that person regains control. Unharmed. The point I am trying to make with the last argument is that even though I have been taken over by Deadman, my time limit is not up. So I should get the opportunity to claim my character back. I was never defeated just temporarily detained. There is a difference.
One could argue that since Heroclix figures are merely knocked out (KOed) they will sooner or later regain consciousness.
But you still lose the game when all your figures are KOed even if they will make a comeback...
I am debating it to try and understand why only the first paragraph of the Possession power is being used. Whenever you use any power you have to use all of the rules not just parts of it. That is my whole point. Hell even the FAQ on Possession is vague as to stating if they are using the whole power as written or just using the first paragraph.
I am debating it to try and understand why only the first paragraph of the Possession power is being used. Whenever you use any power you have to use all of the rules not just parts of it. That is my whole point. Hell even the FAQ on Possession is vague as to stating if they are using the whole power as written or just using the first paragraph.
How are you coming to the conclusion that the whole power must finish? There's nothing of the sort in the rules.
Besides, as Maraud pointed out, the different parts of the power are triggered by different events. If the game ends before these happen, so be it. The game is over.
I am debating it to try and understand why only the first paragraph of the Possession power is being used. Whenever you use any power you have to use all of the rules not just parts of it. That is my whole point. Hell even the FAQ on Possession is vague as to stating if they are using the whole power as written or just using the first paragraph.
The first part is all that matters in this instance.
The action resolves, the game ends. Whatever might have happened later is irrelevant.
Barrier states that the blocking terrain it creates sticks around until the beginning of your next turn, but if you had a Barrier on the map when you defeat your opponent, I seriously doubt you'd just sit there staring at your opponent for an extra turn just so you can take the barrier tokens off the board. Why is this any different?
Furthermore, why is this even being debated anymore?
This issue spelled out, word for word, in the player's guide.
You don't have to like it, that's your business, but it is the rule.
Quote : Originally Posted by Harpua
How are you coming to the conclusion that the whole power must finish? There's nothing of the sort in the rules.
Besides, as Maraud pointed out, the different parts of the power are triggered by different events. If the game ends before these happen, so be it. The game is over.
Quote : Originally Posted by normalview
The first part is all that matters in this instance.
The action resolves, the game ends. Whatever might have happened later is irrelevant.
Agreed. I see no new arguements being presented that were not considered, and refuted, when this was originally brought to the attention of GD two-three years ago.
Time for folk to practice acceptance and move on.
Quote : Originally Posted by wintremute
I really, really, really wish there was a real-life situation where I could tell a large group of people, "YOU ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED TO SPEAK THE WORDS TO LIONEL RICHIE'S SONG, HELLO, AS YOU ARE INTIMIDATING PEOPLE."
The first part is all that matters in this instance.
The action resolves, the game ends. Whatever might have happened later is irrelevant.
Barrier states that the blocking terrain it creates sticks around until the beginning of your next turn, but if you had a Barrier on the map when you defeat your opponent, I seriously doubt you'd just sit there staring at your opponent for an extra turn just so you can take the barrier tokens off the board. Why is this any different?
Just sitting back, drinkin' a Bud, watchin' the barriers melt
The same can be said for Perplex and Smoke as well as a number of SPs that carry over turn to turn
funny that posession's being raised up as a fuss when we've far more people with outright Mind Control and the same bit applies.
Possesion removes the figure from the field.
Mind control does not.
The argument is who wins when this happens.
You have no figures on the board, game ends I win period.
The same would apply if I have 4 actions in my turn, and with my 1st action I KO you last figure. I still have 3 actions left. Game still ends.
funny that posession's being raised up as a fuss when we've far more people with outright Mind Control and the same bit applies.
To further clarify daky's point, Mind Controlled characters revert back to their original controllers team as soon as their assigned free action resolves... and, from a timing perspective, well before the entire Mind Control action resolves.
Since there are still two teams (at least) on the board after the action resolves, the game does not end.
Possesion removes the figure from the field.
Mind control does not.
The argument is who wins when this happens.
You have no figures on the board, game ends I win period.
The same would apply if I have 4 actions in my turn, and with my 1st action I KO you last figure. I still have 3 actions left. Game still ends.
But I want to use Support so I can end the game at full health! NooooooooO!!!!
Possesion removes the figure from the field.
Mind control does not.
The argument is who wins when this happens. You have no figures on the board, game ends I win period.
The same would apply if I have 4 actions in my turn, and with my 1st action I KO you last figure. I still have 3 actions left. Game still ends.
Just to be absolutely clear, when a game ends because one player no longer has any figures under his/her control left on the board, the other player is not automatically declared the winner. That was the whole point of the original post. Having no figures under one (in a two player game) player's control left on the board is only a trigger that will end the game. It, in no way, shape or form, determines who the winner of the match ends up being.