(OOC: A reminder I die fast which means I have no qualms using kill powers right out of the gate.)

I wanted to find a new way.

Wonder if JP picked Pancho Villa.

Change Vote: Girathon

He's being oddly quiet for someone I believe is capable of responding to Ice.

I have no thoughts about this JP - take him or don't, but perhaps a word or two of the consequences of rash decisions or taking some time to get a better feel for the situation and strategize a bit, rather than swing your monstrous equipment about like the oversized sceptre of a newly appointed boy-king.

Oh God please don't kill me. Watching the debate and I don't think I can handle getting killed by one of my idols.

Rokk, I'm not trying to just waste a useful phase. I really have doubts about what can be done on Day 1. I think that giving out information only helps the mafia at this point because we don't have any solid leads.

Now, once we get a lead, I'm all for discussion since that's when it can net us a baddie. At this point, almost no one who is worried about drawing attention is speaking up.

With that said, I know that the man with a gun makes the rules. So.

What do you want to talk about?

We've got a 1 in 3 chance of getting information from a non-Town. That's not necessarily feeding the Mafia.

I think it absolutely is.

The way I see it, there is a 2/3 chance that we help the mafia and a 1/3 chance that we help the town on any given Day 1 pressure. I don't think no action 'costs' us the difference -- 1/3 of a chance to hurt the town --, so my thought is that we take Day 1 as a loss. However, when I'm staring down the barrel of a (literal) elephant gun, I'll change my bets.

So again, I'll talk. I just don't know what you want to talk about.

Also, you answered your own question as to how we can get leads without giving info: people who hide versus those who step forward.

I got shot and still finished most of my speech - with a brief apology I would be talking a little less than usual - before going and beating the would-be assassin almost to death. Hiding is not true to my nature.

No. There's a 2/3'rd chance we help the Town against Neutrals and Mafia. Stop being so damned negative.

I'm going to be off for about an hour while I commute home now. Please don't shoot me while I'm on the train.

That assumes a town comprising 33% of the players. I don't think I've ever played a game with that small of a town.

Well, the mafia already knows who they are, and they don't really care about any neutrals except the SK at this point (obviously they'd rather hit town, but no big loss if they hit a neutral survivor or something).

Meanwhile, town has little to no idea who each other are. And given the last library game, I'd bet against any masons.

So that means unless we out the cop or doctor, it's *generally* going to be helpful to get some info out there. It doesn't even have to be powers! Info is info.

Just how people participate is info. The fact people were blasé about me Daykilling JP actually drops him as a likely target.

That and I do try to be understanding of RL.