In my humble opinion, this is getting a little bit ridiculous with some of the bias... (eh, not directed at agentmage :knockedou:)

To bring another edge to this, how about we compare this to a monster that I personally despise, Sacred Phoenix of Nephtys!

Sacred Phoenix of Nephtys is a resource-absorber, akin to Strike Ninja and Vampire Lord, with its ability to actually profit from being hit by destruction effects. Also, unlike BLS, the stubborn Phoenix can be searched from your deck by the Hand of Nephtys, which is searchable in itself by many cards, namely Apprentice Magician, Sangan, Flying Kamakiri #1, Last Will, and Witch of the Black Forest (traditional format).

Sure, its stats are a bit sub-par for a two-tribute monster, but consider that the only monster above 2400atk that's run in the current meta is Black Luster Soldier - Envoy (which doesn't even need to attack), and if you suicide a trib monster, well, you'd better be prepared to follow through on your decision.

And, we all know about that Heavy Storm-esque effect that happens when Phoenix is brought back by its effect. Of course, we can, just like in regards to BLS-Envoy, list all kinds of ways to deal with it, but that can be applied to anything, and just develops into situations. =\ Imo, this thing has just about as much power as the Luster Envoy.

So, I sit here and look at all these arguments about the double-attack and the prioritized removal, and then I look at monsters like Phoenix and Thousand-Eyes Restrict (thanks, sparkywowo :P), and I still don't see any reason for BLS to be banned except a bunch of whining about effect he has on monsters.

Phoenix and his support are sure powerful, but nowhere as near of what bls does. If you can't understand why bls shouldn't even have been created, then you might have some mental problem.

My regionals + nationals deck utilizes both... Well i sure hate the bacon guy, but after nationals (or worlds, if I win) I'm problably out of the game... If I'm going to win this time, I'll do it using the same weaponry as my opponents. Then I'll concentrare working on my restrictions list, enforce it in stores and official side events, and perfecting my expensive blue eyes deck.

You suckers can stick your jls (jinzo + bls fusion of uber n00bicity) wherever you want to.

Well before I start Black Luster Soldier is a broken card and for anyone to say otherwise is stupid. It can single handedly win you the game say if you are topdecking (no cards) and your opponent has a full field of monsters. Use luster to kill any tribes, exiled, etc. or just atk for game. There are things to stop it but most of those go away very fast due to large level 4 monsters, heavy storm, and mst. Also another broken card that noone has seemed to mention on this thread (I haven't read the whole thing.) is magical scientist. Without that card to kill luster luster has just doubled in size. At least scientist had a lifepoint payment. I would rather have that then luster. Also on pojo there is a press release saying that BLS is gonna be a promo in the new master collection. Well they released all the banned cards again in dark beginnings 1 so does that mean luster is gonna be banned or simply that tons more decks will have him in? who knows as for burning the luster: That's just stupid why burn a 40 dollar card that you could just sell on ebay or trade to someone for a whole bunch, not to mention yugioh cards smell horrible when they're burned. (Don't ask me how i know that.)

Almost is the key word. You only get 2 NoC in a per deck BLS is your infinite NoC and Dark Core. I use to run Sorceror and really never planned to trade for a BLS. But when people want a certain card you have and they have multi copies of BLS then who am I to argue. BLS is a superior tech compared to the sorceror. Theirs no reason to run Sorceror until BLS is banned. BUT BURNING IS BAD!! You hear me agent?! BAD! Maybe you can laminate it to squirrel so it can never be played with again. Fire bad. But remember to show us pictures! :)

The defense rest~


Oh wait. I guess another thing you can do against BLS users is to refuse the second attack since most players just assume it works. You gotta activate it in Main Phase 1 to attack twice. You might come off as a jerk but its the rules. It can be game breaking if you catch someone like that!

I'll be quiet now.

burning bad.

Wow, what was I thinking. Forget that last part. Massive Brain fart.

I think BLS is VERY unfair. Why?

Chaos Sorceror can only remove face-up monsters.

Ban him and do the Sorceror justice!

Luster is more broken then that pumkin I chucked in the street last holloween. That card alone has stopped me in progressing in tournaments that I used to come in ATLEAST 2nd in.

I'm tired of coming back and forth to read and occasionaly argure, so I'm just gonna say this and move on.

I have BLS in my deck and I'll continue using it until it a). hits the forbidden list or b). I find a card that better suits my deck.

When/If (No, really, I'm not 100% sure it will be banned) it becomes banned, I will not fight or protest. Like the rest of the forbidden cards, I will give it up and reformat my deck to work without it (unlike Change of Heart, I really, REALLY wanted to keep it, if just for sentimental reasons).

I'm unsure if BLS will become banned. The rest of the forbidden monsters are there because of their one-turn kill potential (no matter your position in the duel). BLS only ends the duel in one turn if your opponent's already low on lp. On a related note, Magical Scientist is only banned because Catapult Turtle isn't worth banning.

If BLS is banned, we'll never know for how long. Fiber Jar and Change of Heart were part of the original forbidden list. Then both were removed for the 2nd version of the list, but added again for the current list. Injection Fariy Lily, Cyber Jar and Mirror Force were once considered too powerful. Banning a card is not a life sentence.

As for a certain argument I've kept hearing, Konami and UDE did not keep BLS off the banned list to increase profits and sales. My only argument for that is DB1, which a good chunk of the rare cards were forbidden.

Law and Order is on, so I'm gonna walk away now.

Screw reading 80 some posts of utter crap.

I've analyzed this card amoung many other cards in the game. This is how I see it.

Trap cards will and always will own this card. They have the ability to negate the summoning completely and destroy it. Defensive cards such as Sakuretsu Armor and Mirror Force will be used quiet often. Bottomless Trap Hole will rape him completely. (I believe it has to be summoned successfully to use the Remove From Play effect, even if that's true it wouldn't matter. BLS being gone is worth the cost of losing two cards in the minds of many.) Needle Ceiling makes BLS crap because it will more than likely be combined with Scapegoat. Usually this card will be placed into a Warrior-based deck which then can swarm many cards into play. Needle Ceiling then has its activation that much easier to fullfil. Just think of it as a mini-Torrential Tribute with an altered activation requirement. One that can be easier or harder to activate but equally as destructive almost. (Recommended against swarm decks only.)

The fact that Chaos Sorcerer is basically the same level of power with a cheaper rarity, weaker attack, same summoning requirements is remarkable. The only reason it's not used is because of the Attribute and Type. If it was altered to Warrior and Light, then it would be given quite a larger range of card support.

Now let's think of other cards to use against this might broken beast that should be locked away, but not burned for it's obvious superiority in brute strength. (I'll get into more detail on what I just meant in that sentence in a minute.) Book of Moon is a prime example. It renders this card face down. Face-Down is a nice feature to put it in. If anyone actually uses Nobleman of Crossout or Book of Moon, they more than likely will run them together maxed. As a result, this can remove BLS from play and the threat is gone. (Generally this will be used on the Turn Player's turn.)

Now let's think about this little tactic which will take that BLS and give you the power it has. No, I am not talking about Snatch Steal. This doesn't help you at all since you'd just be removing monsters from play. Big deal, they gain free life points. Now all you have to do is Mind Control any monster other than BLS and Creature Swap it. This works nicely if you use Exiled Force with it. That way if they have three monsters (like a warrior-based deck) you can slim down their choices. You Exile'd their Goblin Attack Force and Mind Controlled their Captain. Time to Creature Swap for that BLS and attack that Captain and then life points. They'll either counter with a defensive card to risk losing BLS and waste Warrior Returning on it or take damage. The transfer of power has shifted, the threat is gone, and now you can start making them feel the hatred that many people have for it.


So I don't say burn it, just lock it up nice and tight. It needs a good time out. (This doesn't mean ban it, if it's banned give us CED then..I have my reasons and modifications to the Ban List if that were to ever happen. Easy, just cut the support out completely for CED and you have just an ordinary Chaos monster with very little support.)


I vote it's broken, but don't burn it. How then will be have excellent trade bait if we burn all the BLS copies? I have one, but it's for collection until I find a suitable offer for it. (Which no one can give because it's not that fact I like or dislike it, it's the fact that people need to use fresh new ideas. Warrior decks don't ever need BLS to win. It's been proven, people need to be original for once.)

to be honest i don't think BLS should be banned, i like it, it may be broken, but get over it, if you can't beat it, then something is wrong....Jinzo is harder to take out......BLS may take a chunk of your LP but oh well, when it comes to your time he's either yours or DEAD....most of the time BOOM...just be readyu for him, keep that smashing ground in your hand for him...just that bit longer

he is BROKEN but i say


LET HIM BE

Black Lust Soldier is a card that should have been banned long ago. It's ability to single-handedly turn the tides in a very onesided game is almost unfair. A game should be decided on skill, not only in the game but in the deckbuilding. the game should not be decided on who gets Luster out first. I personally think that it should of been banned of Chaos Emporer because the Chaos Dragon's only ability is dependant on the amount of cards in play, turning the tides but also resetting the field, allowing for a race as to who can set up a stable defence/offence. there, I've said my piece, now agree with me.

I will get flamed for this but Ban BLS and bring back the CED. Its been banned for 12 monts