Olan, if human beings just said "life's unfair, get over it" everytime they experienced something worng, then we'd still have slavery, prohibition, and be living in a monarchy. In order to effect change, we must first acknowledge the problem to be solved. Now, yes, you can't compare a hunk of plastic to slavery, but we are here to discuss MK, and if someone has an issue with the game or company, they shouldn't be ashamed to voice their opinion.

WK said that newer players complained about not being able to get older figs, and that it was preventing them from getting into the game. Well, what message does this send? They're promoting this super awesome ultimate MK figure, but only a select few are ever going to have a hope of getting one. We all know that it'll be unplayable in the current enviroment (although we haven't seen the stats yet) but try explaining that to the potential newbie.

And i'm sorry, but I fail to see how selling an overpriced, unplayable figure is going to get new players into the game.

If this was a LE variant of a fig available at local stores (as previously mentioned) I don't think this would be an issue.

You're not getting my point here. It's not as much the fact that life is unfair that makes me criticise this protest,but rather the fact that you guys are just way too egotisical. It's all about you, you think WK owes you because you play thier game, well, guess what? It's not how things work in the real life.

Now you're tlaking about problems to be solved, what's the problem exactly? You're telling me the big problem here is that YOU can't either get to a con or afford it? Sorry, but I fail to see what part of that involves WK. Sorry, but if you want the dragon so bad, make it happen, don't just ##### about the road ahead.

As for your complaint about the availability of the figs, well let me see, over the course of the year, WK has removed older, harder to get figs from standard play, made LE's available in boosters, and basically turned LE prizes into "foiled" versions of cards... Now you're telling me that just ONE figure means all these things don't count anymore?

Now, we get to the part where your argument becomes contradictory : first you whine about just how badly you want that fig, yet you can't get it, and then you call it an "overpriced, unplayable fig"? So what's your point exactly? Why would YOU want it, and why would you deserve one more then any other newcomer who just happens to pass by at gencon? The answer is pretty simple, because you think it's cool. Ironically, then you ask a question which can easily be answered by the same asnwer : Why would it attract new players? BECAUSE IT'S COOL.

Dragons are cool, period. chances are some people who never played the game before will simply pick one up, because they thought it's cool. Then they're gonna want to actually use it, which means tehy will have to purchase products in order to do so... In the blink of an eye, you just got a new player...

Besides your argument about it should be in local store is nice, but there's only one problem with that, anything MK-related short of boosters aren't selling too hot in retail stores. That's why we're not likely to see another chariot anywhere soon, or other castle pieces or dragons for that matter.

Besides just like you admit,you haven't seen the stats yet, so again, why do you complain? Sure,it might be greatly powerufl, but nothing proves it won't also be highly overcosted... which makes it a non-issue as far as gameplay is concerned.

In fact, why are you guys complaining right now, but weren't when WK made Stick Horse/Coconut Halves their con exclusive last year? See, THOSE are grossly overpowered relics, yet I don't remember anyone #####ing about those 2 being con exclusives. Sure, they costed less tehn the dragon does, but it's still "so totally injust, and unfair" for those who can't make it to cons... In fact, if you aks me, I got way more problems with those 2 then I ever will with the Dragon...

I guess I'm starting to understand how WK feels... There's just no way to satisfy you guys... Maybe you guys would be much happier if WK never made another special fig like that right?

My thoughts:

The Dragon will create quite a buzz at conventions. This buzz, will draw people over to look at it and hence the game. If those people buy boosters, then great, they may stay with the game and become a long term consumer. If they don't, they might tell someone who will...

Also, the Dragon and other exclusives will create crowds that will demonstrate to on site retailers the strength of the product and it's fan base. This could lead to additional retailers picking up the product in their stores.

Finally, WK has said in the past that they "do" want to reward the hardy folks who come out to the conventions. They know that not everyone can do that, so they are appreciative of those who do.

S

Egotisical? Why would you even say that? I can't speak for everyone here, but many I think, from what I've read would like to see fair distribution of this figure, fair as in anyone can get in on it. Yes, WizKids does owe us without us, the customer, there would be no Wizkids, besides the customer is ALWAYS right...

Please, explain to me how wanting EVERYONE to have a chance is egotistical.

Well, it's their decision not to make it publicly available. So, yes, it's their fault. And if by "YOU" you mean "a lotta people", then their move becomes even more hazardous to an already unhappy fanbase.

Oh, no. It's yet another nail in the coffin. But you're right: after all this, how could we ever expect to be listened by WK. Banning figures, no prize support, and now an exclusive second-market bait. Oh boy!

Maybe some new Conquest rules would help reverse that.
No, wait, WK dropped that format. They banned a lot of figs, then ignored the wishes for Conquest 2.0 and then released a lousy titan than can't be used in the environment it was designed for So it's now OUR fault again that these things are not selling? Is it OUR fault because we should be happy no matter what and continue spending money no matter what?

We're unhappy, so we quit the game and stopped buying like drones. It seemed the only way to get our opinion through - as it works in many levels of our capitalist economy. But not for WK. They see an unhappy community not buying their ####, and they still don't get it!

Not selling = no interest.

Not selling + angry mob + full discussion forum stating WHY not selling = something is wrong in they things are going.

Because dragons are so cool, and shouldn't be exclusive.

No, we have stated exactly how we'd be happy along this whole year.

Cesar.

I dont know if anyone mentioned this but I think they should make the one at the con an early release, thne mass produce them later, and mark them so you can tell which one came from a con and which did not.

but I know I wont be able to go to a con and get it because of $$$, I wish they had one in las vegas

If I was eating food I would'a choked (lol). Yeah, when I first saw the thing, before I read the "fine" print, I thought yeah they FINALLY made a new dragon ALRIGHT! Then my head spun back to the glory days of conquest, dragons castles, monsterous titans (And for the record that titan griffon my not be the IRHG [blackpowder titan] but its pretty darn cool looking in general!), and huge armies stomping across the battlefield. Then I read the print... D'oh!

I can see the fundamental socio-economic differences that this is boiling down to. Very different ideas about what is 'fair'.

As for wanting everyone to have a chance, how exactly do you propose to do that? Is that a fair chance or just a chance? Chance to buy or chance to have? Oh the variations are staggering.

Only as staggering as you allow them to be, chance to buy or chance to have are two sides of the same coin. Personally I think they should sell these guys like they did the great fire dragon (altough this very well might be a bad idea to, how many fire dragons made their way overseas? I don't know) as "limited edition" not in huge amounts (like the tanks, which are LE's as well but don't seem like it, example: one of my friends owned like 6 of these things [$5 a piece, I think?] at one time. ) and for around the same price, give or take a few $, I'm sure the fire dragon sell was not perfect but it sounded, sound in my mind and I honestly don't remember people begining burnt on it (seller wise, no pun intended [again]).

Let me say this one more time. Why not a 'Named' con exclusive and a less powerfull version for general release. This would satisfy everybody from those who wish to have somthing special from the Con and the average player's desire to have one of the 'new' dragons of the shelf. Once again I point out the Hill Giant - Gilgarsh example.

If I have not said it already, good idea. Call it Tiamat...I'm kidding! I'm kidding!! :p

I like that idea.

There is unique, rare, everybody wants one and then there is everyone gets one. You can't have it both ways. If WK made several thousand of these put them in the normal supply chain for $25 (like they other dragons), there would be bunches left over, as it is with the older dragons, chariots etc.

Olan: First off, I never said I wanted one (though I wouldn't complain if someone gave me one) but I can empathise with those who can't get one. Spending hundreds of dollars on airfare, hotel, tickets, etc... just to get a chance to buy one, is just way too cost prohibitive for most people.
I'm not going to get into a point-counterpoint argument with you, but let me just address this:
Why isn't anything short of a booster selling in stores? Because intrest in this game is at a low. (And because there's no rule support for them.) I fail to see how someone will stand in line for hours to get a ticket to maybe purchase a cool dragon for a game he's never played before. Maybe the odd person or two, but I doubt enough to bring MKs player base back to where it was.

And you have a point on the stick horse and coconut halves. Same argument can be made for them.

Kommododrac: Good arguement

AGknight, Mustang: excellent solutions.

d_gibbings: see Agknight and Mustang's posts. have a collector's edition so all the collectoirs can say they have a rare collectible, and have a easier to obtain common version so anyone with $20 can have a cool dragon. Everyone wins.

Th point I was trying to make about hard to get figures and newbies was that there was a perception that a new comer couldn't get into this game because there were game breaking figs out there that the newbie would have trouble getting a hold of, and thus be unable to compete. This dragon only supports that theory where past chnages have worked to dispel it.