the 2017 rules changes were widely loved. these are powerfully divisive. what's the difference?

2017 rules
-clearly made by someone that understood what the game was
-clearly made by someone that loved heroclix as a brand and a mechanism
-clearly made to improve heroclix

2021 rules
-clearly made by someone that doesn't understand the core fundamentals that makes this game great
-clearly made by a company that has become insecure with their own product
-clearly made to change heroclix into something else

this used to be "chess with superpowers." with each change under the new agenda it's progressively becoming licensed tic-tac-toe

wk has NO marketing. at all.

for a company that depends entirely on word-of-mouth of old players, they keep sandbagging old players in favor of the new players they want the old players to get them

#101a Wonder Woman
Real Name: Diana
Team: Wonder Woman Ally
Range: ?
Points: 30
Keywords: Amazon, Justice League, Warrior

8 11 18 2

8 10 17 2

8 10 17 2

8 10 17 2

7 11 17 3

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

Never Quit: STOP. Combat Reflexes.




this is the first dial they've showed us from ww80. this says it all about what the agenda is planning for us

.....If this wasn't the Baron I'd say this was a fake.

Please, please for the sake of my VERY SANITY please don't anyone say "Its good for the points".

"Well at least she's got Indom.....wait"

Who is that? Etta Candi with armor?

Is this at all surprising? Marvel and DC have been catering to new fans for over a decade now by constantly rebooting and retconning and re-inventing characters. Businesses aren’t loyal to their customers but expect customers to be loyal to them. At least in the newest Rules article they acknowledge the feedback and have backtracked a little. It’s a start I guess.

...uh... you didn't leave us much to work with then. Hey, just like what Wizkids is doing!


...it WOULD be good, were it meant to be a generic Amazon?

...I mean if they could break reducers I might agree.

Maybe give them conditional Empower when adjacent to another Amazon....and in five seconds I've put in more thought and effort than WizKidz did into that entire dial.....

We already have simplified rules for new players with starter sets that have 2 dials, beginner and advanced.

this is what kills me. the battlegrounds was BRILLIANT! an absolute stroke of genius that is an amazing entry into the game. it has the vanilla game to teach new players and then simple SPs to ease them into the crazy. it's got everything you need to play and it was interesting enough that as an old vet i snatched it all up, too

it was the perfect storm of newbie friendly that didn't in any way require a hatchet to the existing game.

this is the way

After last year's pandemic stopping completely local play, I thought this year can't get any worse.

2021, the year when Heroclix was ko'ed

The reasoning for changes is an insult to the loyal player base and timing is beyond dumb.

Yes. I'm out of new sets.

And in the set just about to be released you have a number of Sidekicks that would destroy her.
Its confused, sad and frankly pathetic.

I understand why they're making the changes they are, and I support it for the long term health of the game. One of the changes that I would push back on is Invincible. I feel Invulnerable and Impervious are too close to each other. However, with the changes to Perplex, have a defensive power that reduces penetrating damage by 2 would be potentially game breaking. Instead I would offer that after Invulnerable, Invincible and Impervious both reduce damage by 2, but cap total damage taken by 3 and remove the need to roll a die. If the goal is to avoid damage altogether, then you need Super Senses or Shape Change.

I'm gonna honest here, I got into HeroClix around the middle of 2019, though I had an Avengers Movie Starter Set, AoU Movie Thor, and a few random Marvel/DC pieces from years past.

I quit Heroclix for most of 2020 because both the Apocalypse and because I was getting tired of getting smashed by Chase Castles, when I just wanted to play Captain America, Master Chief, and Deathstroke on the same team.

Of course, I tried to build fun BUT useable teams more recently, and my collection has steadily outpaced my Warhammer one, but despite all times I've considered just selling all my pieces and cashing it in for 40k, I've managed to get a decent handle on the game's mechanics and I've got a large collection I'm rather proud of. I say with no shame that I spend a good quarter of my day on the Dial Generator in this here forum.

Now they remove basically half the mechanics I've gotten used to in an insulting fashion no less. Wizkids doesn't even need to upkeep a setting or anything, they just needed to continue doing what they were (but slow the Power Creep) and everyone would've rejoiced, or at least been content.

Now, with an CAaA Ultron that's dropped fifty percent in value and a new-yet-aging collection (My JLU pieces, less than a year since purchase, have been snapped out of relevancy), my money will not only stay out of Heroclix purchases, but rather it will go into Warhammer 40k/30k. Nice one Wizkids. Nice one.