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The silence here is making me think of Bill Murray's line in Groundhog Day: "Did you really want to talk about the weather or were you just making chit-chat?"
As really means "for real," and "real" is a binary condition, repeating "really" doesn't do anything. "Very" on the other hand is an intensifier, and repeating it denotes further intensifying.
This is also a case where the meaning (repeating a word) makes the intent clear, and complaining about it is less about clarity and more about feeling superior to others.
Similarly, people complain about "very pregnant" or "very unique" when those are also binary conditions-- however, the meaning is clear and using "very" is a lot less clumsy than saying "she was very far along in her pregnancy" or "this item is both unique and very unlike anything else."
A *lot* of language change-- probably most of it-- is driven by brevity. We're constantly making our language more efficient. Texting is a great place to see this accelerated.
This is the exact reason that IngSoc thinks Newspeak is a superior language.
Winston and I don't care how "efficient" this trend may seem to be. We've read The Book, and we know what The Party is trying to accomplish with their re-education.
Hate to break it to you, but resisting language change comes from the authoritarian end of the conflict. Language change is highly democratic. There's no overlord trying to get people to type in text-speak.
Hate to break it to you, but resisting language change comes from the authoritarian end of the conflict. Language change is highly democratic. There's no overlord trying to get people to type in text-speak.
The French resist language change.
Are you sullying the recent Fete Nationale by calling the French un-democratic?
Watch out, Man. If you piss them off they're going to throw down their weapons and give up all over your ass!
On Bastille Day, an NPR guy called them "the original 1%ers". Granted, I just about threw up considering he neglected to mention The Terror or anything, but what am I going to do; it's NPR.
Beyond a flair for the melodrama, I'm not saying there's an overlord. But the end result of changing language to be "more efficient" is the same. It could be Big Brother, Lord Business, or no one but Vox Populi, it has the same effect on one's mind.
Hate to break it to you, but resisting language change comes from the authoritarian end of the conflict. Language change is highly democratic. There's no overlord trying to get people to type in text-speak.
However, with this statement, I'm in complegrement.
Then we must all be thought-controlled drones, considering our language looks nothing like it did a thousand years ago!
Possible.
Was there ever a time in the past when all the hallmarks of language that make it a form of communication were being abandoned wholesale with the responsibility being on the receiver to decipher the sender's message rather than the sender having the responsibility to communicate effectively?
The result of "efficient language" is not that everyone becomes thought controlled drones, but that they start to think differently or not at all. A lack of critical thinking about not only your language, but the language being sent to you by others, cannot foster critical thinking.
The result of "efficient language" is not that everyone becomes thought controlled drones, but that they start to think differently or not at all. A lack of critical thinking about not only your language, but the language being sent to you by others, cannot foster critical thinking.
I'm not sure I'm getting what you're saying here. Could you perhaps rephrase this?
Quote : Originally Posted by Magnito
In other words, it's all Vlad's fault.
Quote : Originally Posted by Masenko
Though I'm pretty sure if we ever meet rl, you get a free junk shot on me.
Quote : Originally Posted by Thrumble Funk
Vlad is neither good nor evil. He is simply Legal.
I'm not sure I'm getting what you're saying here. Could you perhaps rephrase this?
Ignatz is taking my allusion to 1984 literally.
I assume you've read about the language Newspeak from the book.
The language is designed to make people think differently, more narrowly, and less to make them better Comrades within the society.
I see the same thing happening with language presently. If a person does not stop to think about Capitalization, Punctuation, Spelling and the other parts of language, their ability to think about just about anything suffers as well.
As you may have seen right here on HCRealms, it happens more and more often that people make posts that lack basic tenets of language. If anyone tells them that their posts are incomprehensible, or that they might get a better response from people if they were to communicate more effectively, the "grammar Nazi" is the person at fault, not the guy who put the onus for his communication being effectively understood on the recipient.
Yes, language has changed over the centuries, but I doubt (aside from perhaps the Dark Ages) that one could find a time period where people had started willfully abandoning the things that make language into communication in the manner that I am presently observing.
Thor: The Dark World just happened to be on, so here I am finally watching it.
So far, I'm glad that I didn't pay to see it.
Also, there's that part where Thor destroys the rock guy in one blow and he's all braggy about it.
Maybe I've watched too much Avengers: EMH and the version of the character that I'm used to is way off the pure comics character or whatever, but it just seemed out of character to me.