I have to agree Critical mass was one of my favorite sets. I still use Marvell and Adam Warlock all the time. I'm sad to see it go

In case anyone hasn't visited, before you all start throwing up more arms, Bro Mags has already stated that the B.P.R.D. WILL live on in some form. This is obviously his hinting at the blister packs. Indy is not dead. We're just going to get new figures, without the randomness of boosters.
I am sad to see Critical Mass leave. I still love that Spider-man.

Hopefully not like Mage Knight!

What's sad is that Wizkids is really doing nothing for the fans of the game, and it's the fans of the game that are going to keep it alive through thick and thin. This game is driven purely by comic book fan(atics even), not through tourney scenes, not through special LEs, but through the fans of the comics wanting to play a game based around their favorite heroes.

Now they are basically slapping every Indy fan in the face by first saying there will never be another base set for them AND getting rid of their only figs from tourney play. How's that for fan support?

What would I like to see? I would like to see support for something they began near the beginning. We waited patiently for 3 YEARS before they finally said, nope, no more Indy for you. But don't worry, we've got these great Batman and Spiderman figures coming out in the future for you. Here's a Newsflash, straight from the Daily-fricken-Bugle...More comics exist in this world than just Marvel and DC, and they have fans too! Sure Indy doesn't sell as much as the over-hyped other two, but they have a larger fan base to draw from. I wouldn't expect it to. But here's an idea: Actually make a good set (re: take a look at my fricken sig, which I've had up for almost 2 years now as to what you can include to make it good) and others will buy it. That's not to say that Indy itself wasn't good, however the character choice left little to entice other fans to play it, as well as other things that went with the release (namely the rules changes and the splitting of the set into US/UK exclusives) really turned people away from the set.

If they were to make a good set, people would buy it in droves, just like the other two companies, and thus they would make money and people would want more. There is so much independant stuff to draw from that it isn't even funny, and they don't have to worry about doubling up on characters in every set as well. There would be so many ways to implement the promotion and selling of Indy stuff, but Wizkids didn't even bother trying any of it, just canning it from the beginning.

Sorry if this comes off as a huge rant, but I am a true fan of Image comics. I happen to enjoy reading about Backlash more than Spidey, about Stormwatch more than the JLA and about WildCATs over the X-men. Union kicks the #### out of any other character, and don't even get me started on Spawn. They are what got me back into comics. Ever since Infinity Challenge came out, I was hyped that my characters would get their due. Indy got announced, and even though it didn't have a huge selection of Image stuff, there was hope there that more would follow.

1 year came and went. 2 years. 3 fricken years, and then we are told that there will be no more Indy sets, here have these special 7 figs. Here's your bone, go gnaw on it a while and stop bothering us. Meanwhile they hype the #### out of Fantastic Forces, Icons, Armor Wars, clixbrix promotions that have nothing to do with Indy, saying that yes, we have an announcement that you'll be happy with in the future. It's not like we haven't waited long enough for it or anything. It's not like there hasn't been a thousand threads asking for the next Indy set or anything. It's not like other comic creators have said they would love to be in the set.

Come on Wizkids, how about doing something for the fans for a change? Make us like you as a company that I would be proud to buy from and completely support, other than seeming like money-grubbing fools...(that may come out as harsher than I intended, but I really do think they are only thinking of themselves and thinking nothing of the fans who supported this game and made it big). Oh well. Maybe it means that I will just boycott buying from Wizkids now and only trade/buy on the secondary market completely, if I want a fig or two in the future. This announcement is definately making me not want to support the company any more...

This is true, and I'm sure you have some of your favorite characters by now. Isn't that great?

This was coming sooner or later. Wizkids retires sets. It's not the best decision they've ever made, but it's one they stand by.

Chock full of mirth and opinions! I like it! You seem to have much energy within those bones of yours! I bet you could make an Indy set all your own (Look, you already started one!). So, how's about you set out to make an Indy Clix set? You make it sound so easy! By the way, the last half of this paragraph sort of conflicts with what you previously established. You may not think that the character selection was great, but what about the person next in line?
You are aware that they had Chaos Comics signed up, and they even signed and produced CrossGen characters. I've heard Chaos is back in business (which I doubt), but Crossgen is still dead. There's a reason these comic companies closed up shop. DC and Marvel are the big two, and they can support game lines with greater ease. As for Wizkids trying other ways to promote the game...Hmm... given how much money and effort went into IndyClix, and their apparent turnout of profits and interest, it doesn't seem like there's much they COULD do to keep it alive, but hey, they ARE trying something new... wait and see.

You are in a minority. Sorry, but Wizkids has to be able to make money or they can't survive. If they can't survive then they can't make more clix period. I have heard rumors as to why Spawn did not appear in IndyClix, and the rumors I heard made sense.

And you were so busy complaining about the lack of dues for Indy, you neglected to see the part about Wildstorm Clix.

They did something for the fans, and it was met with poor response. They tried, and they are still trying. Go take a warm bath and relax. We don't always get our way. We have to sometimes take things in stride.

Yeah, this was a nice kick in the nuts to indyclix.

I don't care if BroMags said the BPRD will live on, until there is at least some form of a new indy set the current set should not be retired.

Wait...I'm confused...why is Indy the exception to what you are saying?

Ummm...I will definitely agree about the She-Hulk and the V Invisible Woman...But the old thing is NOWHERE near as good as the new one...I don't see how you can think that at all....I agree the new Mr. Fantastic sucks and the old one is hard to play...but the old one doesn't suck....I have used him to great effect numerous times.

I hope by this you mean he is only registering for the Unrestricted Events, cause if not then he is in breach of contract and can have his judge status revoked


hey, how about letting Wizkids run their policies the way they want, and you vote with your wallet and attendance?


at any venue where the judge (like myself) doesnt wish to run the risk of losing their judge status... and for the record, Wizkids does make surprise visits.. I have had a Wizkids rep pop in on a tournament day, and a venue from a neighboring town was busted by a Wizkids rep for running their Marquee a week early

Last time I checked, Wizkids was a company in the business to make a profit... In their view, Indy wasnt as profitable as they would like and was more of a headache to produce as opposed to the Marvel/DC sets... We keep hearing Indy is not dead, its just going to be different... and Indy isnt out of tournament play becase there are still UNRESTRICTED events each month... and Wizkids is doing stuff for the fans by producing a fun game and giving away free stuff for tournaments


Retirement is a controversial policy, I agree.... but the policy does not make any pieces no longer usable... Unrestricted Tournaments and FRIENDLY games still exist last time I checked... Is there some potential greed factor in the Retirement Policy? well sure, because in essence anyone that wants to play in a Restricted Tournament has to have the current stuff... then again, this helps level the playing field for those newer players who dont have the old stuff and Wizkids NEEDS you to buy the new stuff to stay in business

if you object to retirement so passionately, then voice your opinion with your wallet and you attendance.... if your gaming group is united in not wanting Restricted Tourneys, ask your judge to ONLY register for Unrestricted... or just dont attend the Restricted Events... low attendance numbers across the board would definitely get a message across

OR be completely crazy, and just build a dang Restricted Format team and play

Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying dont voice your opinion, if you dont like Retirement, by all means speak your mind... but this whole "Wizkids hates the fans, Retirement ruins the game, and now you can't EVER play **Insert character name here**" is tired, opinion presented as fact, and inaccurate

to quote Dennis Miller, thats just my opinion, I could be wrong

Because they retired the Indy base set w/o putting out a new base set.

I already voted, and bought product hand over fist. I bought the product and now they restrict the way I can use it, and that bothers me. The game has no cash prizes, and no ranking system there is no need to ban older sets from organized play.

"how about letting Wizkids run their policies the way they want"

What is this supposed to mean ? Of course WizKids is going to run their ship the way Topps wants them to. I don't post here with the hopes that Arthur T. Shorin will stroll in, read my post and reverse course. You are just being obnoxious for no good reason.

Another misconception is that the prize support is free. It's not free, it was paid for when I paid $7.99 for $.50 worth of plastic. Plastic I bought and now can't use. It was paid for when I paid $75 for Galactus. We aren't paupers begging for LE's, and again I've stated I could care less about the damn LE's, they aren't worth the gas money it takes to drive to a tournament.

In the end it's a difference of opinion, WizKids retirement policy isn't going to net them a dime in my opinion. Any gains will be offset by players leaving the game. People buy this product because it's fun and reflects the source material, there is no need to stabilize the metagame or any of the other garbage that you need when the game line has a big $$$ pro tour.

One of the most eloquent things I've ever seen.

What I always hated about retirement is two-fold. It kills theme teams. when half or more of the team is retired it becomes difficult to actually do a favorite theme. (ie. Skulls, Hydra, whatever) It also kinda forces the re-do of figures we already have when I rather see those slots filled with characters we haven't seen yet. :-/

But don't worry, three months before the game is totally done and the last set of HC is announced, retirement will be revoked. (ala Mage Knight.) :P