not going to read whole thred but Penance is speedball in 1 book don't remember which on he get attacked or something and his power goes off and comments he like pain now or something like that

It should be. I couldn't admit i was an X-men fan for a while because then people might think I actually liked that drek that Chuck tried to pass off as a comic book. If the X-men were real they'd be suing for defamation of character. I have sympathy for any Ironman fans at the moment.

I read an aritcle on MArvel.com.

I think it's either a new char, or Nitro. But Nitro makes litle sense.

I made the mistake of reading through most of the thread and, as per usual discussions, it roamed wildly into cloning, Reed Richards' intellect, and the Gov't...

I feel that Penance will be revealed to be be Speedball. (AKA the lame Echo/ Ronin idea...)

That being said, who were the other super-villians in the house (that Speedball et al attacked) ? I don't remember exactly who was in the house, or even who the members of the attcking force were - maybe one of them? Or it could be someone new who will be revealed to have been at the school via retcon...

It's not a new character. It's an old one in a new "version"of him/herself. Per joe Q in one of his interviews.

And all you people care............


*looks in pocket*

*finds even more lint*

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

That was more exciting than this Grade B "Murder She Wrote" mystery they've set upon us.

On this note, I think it's an important distinction to make between clones of 'her' and 'other' clones of the now dead ripley. the character we see running around is a clone as well....the real Ripley was long dead. those 'others' were the failed versions....and man that scene creeped me out to no end!

Would an infinite number of Ro-Gans deliver an infinite number of junk shots????

Yes, but only to each other. The rest of us would have nary a worry.

Mmmm. Nary. Gotta love that antiquated adjective.

Now if you will excuse me I have to boldly go split some infinitives.

Which gives me an idea for DC's next crossover: Infinitive Crisis!

but if you were cloned a lot you'd finally get enough pull to get Clarmont back on X-men and Peter David on Hulk.

Tony cloning Thor isn't totally out of character and I almost expect him to have clones of other heroes as well. He is an ###hole and his suit almost dampened spiderman's spider sense permanently. This is the FRIEND that people should trust?? Hardly. Tony lives for setting people up learning everyones strenghts and weaknesses. I can't wait for Hulk to come back and destroy his possible clone and knock tony down a couple of pegs. I find it funny how all their archenemies have finally twisted the minds of Mr.Fantastic, Ironman, and even Xavier.

Tony Cloning, isn't he a character created by Chuck Austen for Todd Mac to use?

Man, you guys are going about this all wrong. Speedball is too obvious. Penance is obviouly a character making up for is past misdeeds. You'd also never expect to see them in a nothing book like Thunderbolts (their opinion, not mine). And they have pain related powers. He was also a 'crazy idea' of Quesada's, somethig Ellis said was barely acceptable for a kid's book (kids still read comics?). And finally, it has to be someone who has been out of the limelight for a while, someone you occasionally wonder 'where are they now?' type deal.

Dudes...

Penance is...


Bill Jemas.


tb; Marville = pain related powers, the reading of it