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And there are still heroes that are not registered. Maybe not fighting in the open way they were before, but they certainly are fighting it by not signing up with the government.
And then there is the confusion concerning Wolverine. He's already registered, as Tony pointed out once, but, he's still fighting. He's also being hunted by SHIELD, and yet, we see him lounge about the Xavier mansion, which is underguard by O*N*E*, which is yet another branch of Gov't. And why is SHIELD enforcing american law, when it's suppose to be an International group?
Anyways, the Wolvie thing is confusing.
Until 52, right? And then Countdown. And then Final Crisis. The illusion of conclusiveness seems more annoying to me then anything else.
'52' is not a natural extension of Infinite Crisis. It follows up on a lot of stuff (Black Reign, Gotham Central, Identity Crisis...), but Infinite Crisis does not naturally lead to '52' in the way that House Of Meh segues into 'The 198', Son Of Meh, and Messiah CompleX. The only thing linking 52 and IC is that they are two stories, and that on follows the other in the DCU timeline.
Countdown follows up on nothing at all, and is an entity entirely unto its own (I bet you'll even be able to read Final Crisis without having read as much as a single issue of Bleeding Coundown, but this belief stems more from having read a whole lot of Grant Morrison than anything else).
My point was, even though you can obviously write a sequel to any story you can think of (Romeo and Juliette II might be tricky to pull off - Living Dead in Verona?), but that unlike most Marvel events, Infinite Crisis did have a proper conclusion with all of the main story threads properly wrapped up.
Edit: you can buy the Infinite Crisis trade (and maybe some of the tie-ins, I don't know how they packaged it), and have a complete story.
Same can't be said when you buy all those House of Meh or Civil War trades.
Yoda of Borg, we are: Futile, resistance is. Assimilate you, we will.
Hmm, I found Cap's giving up kind of out of the blue as well. And kind of a lame finish to what the whole fight was built up to be.
And there are still heroes that are not registered. Maybe not fighting in the open way they were before, but they certainly are fighting it by not signing up with the government.
Cap giving up to me it seemed like something that should have happened when things began, or not at all. I understand why he gave up, but it isn't quite the best way to end things.
They are fighting it that way, I just meant that the registration crew seems to be spending more time fighting the villains and not other heroes now. It definitely doesn't have everything tied up in a neat little package, but people still on Cap's side are on the fringe more then anything. The status quo has changed (and technically did from the first issue) and that's what Civil War was about.
There are some folks out there who don't think the American Civil War is over either, but I think most sane people know the answer to that one
'52' is not a natural extension of Infinite Crisis. It follows up on a lot of stuff (Black Reign, Gotham Central, Identity Crisis...), but Infinite Crisis does not naturally lead to '52' in the way that House Of Meh segues into 'The 198', Son Of Meh, and Messiah CompleX. The only thing linking 52 and IC is that they are two stories, and that on follows the other in the DCU timeline.
Countdown follows up on nothing at all, and is an entity entirely unto its own (I bet you'll even be able to read Final Crisis without having read as much as a single issue of Bleeding Coundown, but this belief stems more from having read a whole lot of Grant Morrison than anything else).
My point was, even though you can obviously write a sequel to any story you can think of (Romeo and Juliette II might be tricky to pull off - Living Dead in Verona?), but that unlike most Marvel events, Infinite Crisis did have a proper conclusion with all of the main story threads properly wrapped up.
While Son of M was definitely an epilogue for House of M, I don't quite see your point with the Messiah Complex which seems to be a new story within the current status quo instead of the continuation of a story.
You could just as easily argue that Infinite Crisis tied up the loose ends to Crisis on Infinite Earths. I wouldn't say that of course, but all of these stories do have endings. Some are more satisfying then others and with different goals, but there is no requirement to read anything after the respective events end. I'm sure Final Crisis will have as little to with Infinite Crisis as Infinite Crisis did with Crisis on Infinite Earths or Identity Crisis. Although I will admit I think that the last one will probably have the better writing.
I'd also like to note that I do consider House of M an exception because that seemed to be about removing mutants rather then telling a specific story. That's why I sorta stayed away from that when I replied the first time.
There are some folks out there who don't think the American Civil War is over either, but I think most sane people know the answer to that one
Yosemite Sam Vs Bugs Bunny, in the un-editted version of the classic cartoon "Southern Fried Hare".
Where Yosemite is protecting the Mason-Dixon line for about 90 years, on orders from General Lee. It ends with him holding guns on the Yankees in Chatanogga. Those Yankees being the baseball team.
While Son of M was definitely an epilogue for House of M, I don't quite see your point with the Messiah Complex which seems to be a new story within the current status quo instead of the continuation of a story.
Messiah CompleX is pretty much the very first story in the main X-books that even addresses the new status quo beyond showing some refuges and a couple of Sentinels parked on the Institute's lawn. And it is widely predicted that the entire point of MC is fixing the mess House Of M left behind since you can't really do X-Men books if you got no mutants. And of course to try and sell a boatload of X-Men books.
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You could just as easily argue that Infinite Crisis tied up the loose ends to Crisis on Infinite Earths. I wouldn't say that of course, but all of these stories do have endings.
That's what I said. By contrast, I don't think the same can be said about Civil War and World War Hulk (which is an inane title). To be fair, I haven't actually read WWH, I'm just going from summaries and reactions of people who did read it.
Yoda of Borg, we are: Futile, resistance is. Assimilate you, we will.
Yosemite Sam Vs Bugs Bunny, in the un-editted version of the classic cartoon "Southern Fried Hare".
Where Yosemite is protecting the Mason-Dixon line for about 90 years, on orders from General Lee. It ends with him holding guns on the Yankees in Chatanogga. Those Yankees being the baseball team.
They've been editing and PC-fying Loony Tunes now?
The world is doomed.
Edit: I waste my 2500'th post on this? Gah.
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Yoda of Borg, we are: Futile, resistance is. Assimilate you, we will.
Messiah CompleX is pretty much the very first story in the main X-books that even addresses the new status quo beyond showing some refuges and a couple of Sentinels parked on the Institute's lawn. And it is widely predicted that the entire point of MC is fixing the mess House Of M left behind since you can't really do X-Men books if you got no mutants. And of course to try and sell a boatload of X-Men books.
That's what I said. By contrast, I don't think the same can be said about Civil War and World War Hulk (which is an inane title). To be fair, I haven't actually read WWH, I'm just going from summaries and reactions of people who did read it.
If MC does reverse what was done in House of M, then I'll agree with you. However, as it stands, it's a new story based on the new landscape for mutants. Building on the changes from an event doesn't sound like a direct continuation, and in sense, validates the whole purpose of the event. I'm not making any judgments till it's over, and so far it's pretty good.
Civil War and World War Hulk conclude and have very faint connections to one another. Tony won Civil War, and the Hulk was stopped in the latest event. That was the main conflict and both were resolved. Marvel definitely likes to tease the reader with comics of the future, but of the ones advertised in the back of the last WWH issue, I don't see anything more then an epilogue and a few new titles that deal with changes to certain characters after the event. This is very similar to how Superboy Prime was shown in captivity at the end of Infinite Crisis, you know that there is no way he is going to stay locked up. We all know Bruce Banner is coming back, we're just waiting for when that'll be.
They've been editing and PC-fying Loony Tunes now?
The world is doomed.
They've been doing that since the late 80's. Take out most of the violence, any stereotyping that may be percieved (no Bugs in black-face no more), and any language that may seem "off".
One day, they're gonna find out what I found out about Elmer Fudd's last name, and that'll be that for him. "Fudd" is an old slang term meaning pubic hair. Elmer being bald was done on purpose as a play on his name.
They are going to use the mother's old world magic to protect the embryo. Also, because of the extreme harsh nature of the planet, all newborns are able to walk within minutes to hours from being born.
Now, the whole embryo to birth thing is completely up in the open, but he should actually be a baby. Granted, he's one that can kill you and smash worlds, but he's a baby nonetheless.
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Also, I want the Red Hulk to be Thunderbolt Ross. He's red cause he hates the Hulk, and now that he's the Hulk, he hates himself. That self hatred makes him red. And eventually teams of people will get together to put him down because of the amount of collateral damage he incurs when he changes.
They are going to use the mother's old world magic to protect the embryo. Also, because of the extreme harsh nature of the planet, all newborns are able to walk within minutes to hours from being born.
Now, the whole embryo to birth thing is completely up in the open, but he should actually be a baby. Granted, he's one that can kill you and smash worlds, but he's a baby nonetheless.
Would you want to be the one to change that diaper? Makes me think of the Simpson's episode when Marge left for a weekend vacation, so Homer let baby Maggie run free in the yard "As nature intended". That'd be my plan for Red Hulk.
I personally think that the reason they drag it on is for a bigger plot which will be drawn from Planet Hulk II just wait I think marvel wont disappoint they can only dissappoint o much before losing fans I think they know what there doing
'52' is not a natural extension of Infinite Crisis. It follows up on a lot of stuff (Black Reign, Gotham Central, Identity Crisis...), but Infinite Crisis does not naturally lead to '52' in the way that House Of Meh segues into 'The 198', Son Of Meh, and Messiah CompleX.
What? you didn't go for the obvious Meh-siah Complex?
"If I find in myself a desire which no experience in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that I was made for another world."
No, because so far Messiah CompleX has been very good, and is being written by two authors who've never disappointed me in the past. Ask again in a couple of weeks when it's done.
Yoda of Borg, we are: Futile, resistance is. Assimilate you, we will.