I believe that feat cards should go since there is an over abundance of special powers. I believe the game creaters realized this and decided to cut back feat cards. Have you noticed out of the last 2 sets what most of them actually do. Unless you were lucky and picked up the protected from MM, most now are 3 to 10 pts. Alias- 3 pts and give your character a shot at shape change. Thats a great Feat!!! Make more like these that are not game breaking but help make it interesting. Get rid of cards that allow you to avoid 8 damage from superman just because you can throw down an 8 pt feat card...

Great discussion with me. Run with the joke I threw in to keep it light.

Well, this thread is officially a complete waste. I'll go read Carlos' EXACT SAME THREAD that he posted yesterday.

I don't agree with much of the proposals of the article, but I highly disagree with the responses that feign insult without actually exploring the proposals (or presumably the loyalty to the existing rules).

My $0.02 on a couple of the points:

Special White Powers (and before them, feats) have created unnecessary rules problems and suspicious problems with game balance. I don't think it is outrageous to suggest that the next game designer should be more cautious in the assignment of SWPs.

My own solution to the SWP "problem" is that if the power is something that isn't on the PAC (or a combination thereof) turn it into an optional feat that the character always has, and assign an extra point cost so that a player can decide if they want that trait or not, and pay for it if appropriate. It would be like getting a second, more advanced version of the figure for free.

Feats: The 10% rule is nothing more than a sorry excuse to try to introduce game balance after the horse has already left the barn, the barn subsequently burned down, and the horse died after repeated beatings. The problematic feats were the free action ones: Armor Piercing (with Poison), Nanobots, (almost free) ICwO or the ones that screwed up event scoring and event builds: Lazarus Pit, Thunderbolts.

Personally, I never was annoyed by a KC Flash or a SN Thanos, unless they were assigned Nanobots.

My take on this: (If I repeaqt someone, I apologize, I don't have time to read all five pages of comments right now)

Special Powers: I have mixed feelings about them. I like the ones that give a character their trademark move (ie Colossus Fastball Special) but others seem to be excessively used (the afore mentioned self perplex powers.) Of course I'm also happy to go back to not having them at all, but I doubt anyone but my brother would support me there.

Giants I'm probably the only person who likes the old adjacency rules, especially when I play Spectre. With the new rules, Giant figs are worthless to me. I wouldn't mind a mix of the old adjacency system and the making them Transporters too system. Bad enough they are just big targets for my opponent to begin with.

Team Abilities: I wouldn't mind seeing new TA's. Your example of Sinestro Corps seemed a little too powerful to me, but that was just an example as far as I'm concerned. If you wanted Gaurdians of the Galaxy to act like the Defenders TA, simply list the two symbols together like they did for KC/Hypertime. T-bolts could be a different kind of wildcard, whatever works best. Or if a TA was poorly designed (IL, MOE, Morlocks) then change it to a new TA like they did with MOE. ATA's should still be copiable, especially if you pay points for them.

FEATs: With the advent of Special Powers, I think FEATs should be done away with. Reprint a handful of none game breaking ones like Armor Piercing, Ambush, and the ones already reprinted and get rid of the rest. (especially Oppertunist and Contingancy Plan)

Also, Playtesting should be improved. SIF can be such a gamebreaker if the wrong map is chosen. Gamebreaking FEATs like Contingancy Plan and Oppertunist should have LOS limitations. It sucks to feel helpless as your team get picked off before you can do anything about it.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

Supernova Thanos can't use Nanobots since his damage value never dips under three and you have to have a damage value of two or less.

I believe elfholme already corrected you on what exactly a Bully Pulpit is. I didn't believe I need to touch on that again, save to say I'm a bit dismayed that you didn't know the reference.

No, he just states this is how to Fix HeroClix.

(Nevermind that aside from the lack of a company making it, it ain't that broken...)

If he wants to say this, he can place this in General Discussion like everyone else has.

That was an awesome article, i especially like the Sinestro corps. team ability. Though im not to happy about the Thunderbolt ability. Overall i really liked it.

im not sure if this was already suggested years ago but how bout Inhumans have the auto stealth ability

Bah you and your fancy use of the english language!
I knew I became an engineer for some reason.. :P

Why would you be upset that someone who probably came from a different walk of life with different interests than you, whom is not a professional writer doesn't know a word or term?

That seems a bit silly.

Pardon me for not having the mastery of the english language of others, or not picking up on a reference.

Regardless your statement of it being a "bully pulpit" is still saying:
a terrific platform from which to persuasively advocate an agenda

Which to me is STILL a way of saying, "a great way to try to force someone to see your point."

Bullying.. I'm sure the term probably stemmed from it somewhere.

and if you are silly enough to THINK that that would be my agenda for putting an article up, then I don't even know what to say.

Articles are for discussion whether you agree or disagree. This is HCR, this is not the "Official" heroclix site, although maybe the fact that the official company is gone now makes this the "official" site.

I will not post new articles, end of story. The realms can stay stagnant because if you've noticed since the death of heroclix much of the articles have died too. So no more new ways to provide "life" to the community.

And since he unlike anyone else actually approached people with the idea of making it an article, who are you to say he SHOULD keep it in general discussion..

And anyone who feels this is a bad direction for the realms.. Sorry.. My fault, i posted it. The' Le's fault for writing it.

Like I said, I apologize for posting something for someone else in the attempt to stir discussion and keep the realms looking active.. Because believe it or not, some people don't go into the forums to read every post, or look at the 10 most recent at the bottom.

But whatev.. I'm done.. No more articles from me, I'd hate to offend someone for expressing an opinion.

That's where I'm at

I thought that is why the cards were created? The card should also list the slot numbers affected! I don't see an issue here as the cards have been very helpful.

I don't think that every team should have a TA, but a few teams have been around long enough to warrant their own TA: Thunderbolts, Inhumans, Squadron Supreme, Sinestro Corps,


There is always room for improvement, IMHO! The whole history of HeroClix is chock full of tweaks, add-ons and re-vamps! Why should we stop now when there are issues to be addressed (i.e. what to do with generic keywords, new TAs we do need, how to handle Special Powers that is equitable to everyone so that we don't get figures with 4 Special Powers down their 4 stat lines, why the PAC should still rule the game, new mechanics like vehicles, why structuring sets around themes will save the game, et. al.). I've been in it from the beginning and have all the REVCURs and most of the U, LE, SR -- and will continue to buy into the game.

Have Fun!

Maybe, and then you say...

I didn't mean it that way to begin with, but if you want to interpret it that way now... fine, go right ahead.

A martyr complex does not become you, but whatever. The problem, as I see it, is that you only presented an article with one point of view. A contrary article explaining why HeroClix doesn't need fixing (at least, not like this), wasn't offered. That would have helped.

I would rather not see you stop posting, as this article hasn't decreased my appreciation for the reviews you write and post, but that's your call to make.

I would probably make the following 'tweaks' to the game:

1. Remove Generic keywords in favor of generics having a universal or even, a universe specific keyword.
2. Add a green bordered special object that would be a universal object able to be wielded by any character.
3. GLs can carry anyone.
4. Redefine duplicate TAs.
5. ATAs use only keywords, not printed TAs.
6. Make JLA wildcards and Legion the free move TA. Let's face it, having individuals combining a team and teaching their compatriots their own unique skill is more thematic than having a bunch of people who never go solo try to copy the abilities of people with whom they never/seldom team-up.
7. Remove the latest restrictions on stat sharing with wildcards. There are plenty of ways to deal with this, and I am sure, more to come.
8. EDIT: I forgot to add this idea - KO'd characters remain on the map and can be wielded as light objects. Characters with the and characters with the symbols or ROBOT keyword are wielded as heavy objects and cannot be destroyed or removed from play by any means other than using them in an attack.

I am NOT having a martyr complex, but I am tired of people saying that I was wrong to post and article in the attempts to help continue to breath life into the realms.

I'm also annoyed of the expectations of some of the people on the realms that I'm supposed to be some master of the english language, and frankly someone telling me they are disappointed that I didn't know the reference is irritating. Because I don't do anything here for anything other than my own enjoyment, which is in itself is mostly missing at this point, and to try to stir discussion and entertainment among the rest of the community.

As I mentioned, my own enjoyment portion of it is almost all gone, I do it to keep the community happy.
But then the community just constantly reinforces how their disapproval, well then that makes me not care about part 2 much either. So why bother posting?

Every review posted on here is ALWAYS one persons view. I've never seen an article that says, "An Inverse comprehensive review" why E2 Superman doesn't stink. Or Superman Prime whom in the thread I was convinced he was better. Because of discussion, which is what this thread is intended to do.

If you want to write an article that says, "why heroclix doesn't need to be fixed" and can present it in an intelligent manner and make it readable. Do it. I'll post it for you then you can be happier.

The fact that this article has had people on both sides of the offense agreeing and disagreeing.. That to me makes a good article. If you don't feel that way then sorry.
Can't please everyone.

As for my own articles, I probably won't stop posting them. I was angry and annoyed last night. Again my reason to keep going on my reviews is to help keep the realms alive. So I'm sure they'll continue.