where are you getting 5 damage thugs with 12 attack, that are 9 clicks long and have 10 range, supertrength traited and are indomitable?

Thats what she sad

True enough! Invulnerability is hardly Thor's greatest asset.

Page 5 of this thread the OP seems to have admitted that, at least in my opinion. I think we can let this one die now (the THREAD.....not the OP!!)

It's just because everybody loves a crowd. It's true -- whenever there's a big crowd, you get lots of people. Small crowd? People just don't show up.

Release the geeks!!! hahahahaha tear em apart boys!!!!

That is also what she said.

She only likes Thor for his hammer.

Great now i have "dr horrible's sing a long blog"

I have a Captain Hammer t-shirt. I have trouble resisting saying that line when I'm wearing the shirt, even when it's very inappropriate.

It gets bigger when you rub it.

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Tarnish

And sometimes you get those crowds where nobody came at all.

This very statement is the reason why we have overlapping powers, redundancy, and different things.

When it comes to HeroClix, the real advantage of the system is its diversity.

Costs
Outwit may indeed be "better" than Exploit Weakness, but you miss the fact that the costs are far different. A character with Outwit on it's first click will cost more than if the Outwit were put on the last click. That's how the dial generator works. Each power has a different cost, which allows this type of flexibility.

Variety
This is probably the best argument for multiple powers that have similar uses. Outwit may indeed be "better" than Exploit Weakness, but eliminating it leaves the game with less variety. Imagine if all the characters with Exploit Weakness and Psychic Blast were suddenly given Outwit instead -- now Outwit becomes a common power that they hand out willy nilly (much like Wizkids' over use of "this character can use perplex, but only on itself").

Even in Magic the Gathering there is a need for flight, fear, shadow, Bushido, and flanking... all of which are similar but different.

It's the variety of powers that makes the game and characters interesting, and allows for better game design.

-The Le

The OP has a valid point re: Outwit. At one time, I had a list of 20+ ways to deal damage to Invulnerability/Impervious characters without using Outwit. I'll see if I can find the thread.

Edit: Here's the old thread - Beating IMP/INV without having to use Outwit

This was the last count, over 5 years old (!)

1. Incapacitate (perhaps the most common power in the game, Stunning Blow feat makes it even better)
2. Ranged Combat Expert (figure with damage value 1 or more)
3. Close Combat Expert (figure with damage value 1 or more)
4. Super Strength (DV 2 with light object, DV 1 with heavy object)
5. Pulse Wave (ignores all powers and TAs)
6. Exploit Weakness (is ignored by the Fortitude feat)
7. Psychic Blast
8. Perplex
9. Enhancement
10. SHIELD Team Ability
11. Hypersonic Speed
12. Blades/Claws/Fangs (roll 3 or more)
13. Overlapped Energy Explosion
14. Mind Control opposing figures with above powers
15. Mind Control opposing figure with IMP and turn off IMP
16. Capture with a Sentinel/Sinestro
17. Mystics/CrossGen TA (delivers unavoidable damage in retaliation)
18. Haymaker feat (with printed damage value greater than 0)
19. Pounce feat (with printed damage value 2 or 1 with Super Strength and Light Object)
20. Rip It Up feat (with printed damage value 2)
21. In Contact With Oracle feat (with damage value greater than 1)
22. Armor Piercing feat
23. Damage value greater than 2 (with no powers)