No idea what you are getting at here.

It's funny amidst all the "is" and "=" business that an important thing didn't bubble up naturally, which is that while all Tactics are Heroclix, not all Heroclix are Tactics.

But this is a nomenclature issue, I think. It might help to think of "Tactics" as its own Age. Although I think the whole "Age" terminology system was ineffective and misleading pretty much instantly, because "modern" is being defined counter-intuitively.

Anyway, let's look at it taxonomically:

Since NECA took over, all things with a dial that click are called Heroclix.

They branch at this point, such that group A are Heroclix found in a self-contained boardgames with isolated rules, and group B are those that use the "Heroclix Core Rules."

Group B branches at this point into H-Scale [i] and T-Scale [ii], and [i] subdivides into Modern (all of [i] would be Golden).

The problem, were I to actually graph this out, would be instantly self-evident, in that everything at every level still calls itself Heroclix which, while true, is massively confusing. It's like officially calling everything you see on safari a Vertebrate. "Oh hey, here's a picture of a lovely vertebrate in the water! Look at this one flying!"

What needs to be done is the H-scale branch needs a subtitle of its own, like how [Bii] T-Scale can be simply labelled as "Tactics." [Bi] used to be just "Heroclix" but that's clearly an ineffective term now.

That's not really true at all. Star Trek Expeditions and Captains both use clix dials, but neither are called HeroClix.

The upcoming Nazgul game has on the box "by the makers of HeroClix", but the game itself is not labeled as HeroClix.

What gets labeled as HeroClix is anything that uses the HeroClix rules.

By comparison, HorrorClix and ActionClix, while very similar, and in many ways very compatible, were definitely not 100% compatible the way Gears, Halo, Lord of the Rings, or even Star Trek Tactics are.

They are all officially referred to as "Heroclix" at some point if you look at all the advertising and literature. I'm just going with what I'm seeing. I think the only thing that has a clix dial that doesn't also have the word Heroclix on it somewhere are the Cities in the Mage Knight game.

So Golden Age is going to be redefined?

Tactics right now following this ruling is completely legal in Golden Age games, same as every other clix set operating with the standard rules.


I have no idea what you're talking about by "unwarranted attack." If you're referring to the sarcastic use of "infallible oranges," that was completely warranted and no apology will be forthcoming.

Over the last month or so, I've noticed three big rules kerfluffles, and the rules deputies have been arrogant and on the wrong side of all three of them:

1. Cap Quasar/Cap Booster Nick Fury/Aragon
-This combo clearly worked based on the wording of the powers and end of turn, and yet the deputies took it upon themselves to say it shouldn't and went to game design for confirmation. Game design shot you down.

2. House of M Hulk and Mastermind
-Clearly overpowered, the rules deputies flat-out refused to ask GD about this, despite past precedent like Big Figure and Cosmic Spidey where NECA/WK have made errors (alleged, in Big Figure's case). This is far more questionable than case #1, and yet because you Oranges didn't see an issue, no one will bring it up to GD.

3. The definition of Ship
-WK/NECA clearly marketed Tactics as not being officially playable with other Heroclix sets, and yet the ruling here flies in the face of that.

You rules deputies have become overly hubrisitic and you deserve to be called out on your behaviour. If you can't take that, then maybe you need to think about how you're acting and the important roll WK/NECA's given you, because you're falling down in your responsibility.

Defining ship as as special class of character that cannot be mixed with other pieces is a simple rule that prevents them from being used at tournaments and is easy to ignore for home games.

Your post really isn't worth adressing beyond informing you that you have no idea at all about these things you are spouting.

Give it up already. You are so grossly uninformed and unwilling to accept facts that there really is no way to communicate with you about these things.

Too bad, since you are very very wrong.

A deputy had some questions. We discussed them. GD was never involved since it was determined the word was clear as worded.

You have no idea if we asked GD or not. For the record, we DO have more insight into how a lot of this stuff works than Average Joe Player. HoM works as intended. Interpret that as you will regarding whether or not GD was consulted.

See above. No, scratch that. I will flat out tell you that we were told by the powers that be that this is the way it is. We thought that it was the case, but we wanted to be sure.

If you can't take the fact that you are frequently incorrect and often can't see that we do, in fact, know what we are doing, perhaps you should think about whether or not you should be posting here.

You, sir, have always been rather rude and abrupt. The instant a ruling doesn't go the way you expect, you become sulky, antagonistic, and rude. I am not sure why, but the bottom line is you are not fun to interact with. And, at the end of the day, I am involved in Heroclix because it is fun. So I believe I am done with you. Have a nice life.

Yes, attack the messenger instead of addressing the problem.

I've read through the three relevant threads; I think I'm informed enough about what's publicly available to us.

If they just gave the trek ships the VEHICLE KEYWORD we wouldn't be having this hemorrhaging brain fart

I don't want to step in between the personality conflicts between you and the deputies, but I'd like to address this point. Golden Age doesn't need to be redefined because it covers the sets legal for Heroclix. If Heroclix: Tactics wasn't Heroclix: Tactics, but was instead part of the main Heroclix game, you might have a point. As Heroclix: Tactics is actually a different game, it doesn't fall under the rules for what is legal in the separate game of Heroclix. That's why it's not Golden Age Heroclix AND not Modern Age Heroclix...it's a separate game entirely that simply leverages the same game mechanics.

What would that do? I am not really sure where you are going with this one...

Your post here states that the deputies were waiting for an answer. I interpreted that as waiting for an answer from GD.



I was flat-out told it wouldn't happen in the relevant thread, that there was no perceived need to do so.


I'm sure you do, and that I mean that sincerely.




OK, so why hasn't WK/NECA changed their stance publicly? All we players have to go on are the company's marketing material which clearly state that Tactics was not meant to be played with regular Clix.

That wouldn't have worked, unless Thor's Chariot went with the Trek ships.