[qoute]First, did you find that bios at marvel.com that aren't there anymore? Second I have read Cap and Avenger comics and Wolverine would still beat him, I would say if you don't know this you havn't read many Wolverine or X-Men books. Cap would be able to protect himself with his shield just fine but the second he used it as a weapon he'd find his guts on the floor in front of him. Cap simply couldn't do enough damage to Wolverine to keep him down.[/quote]


Theyre not theyre anymore. When the new upgrade to the site happened i guess they took em off. Most of those bios were Very outdated anyway so no harm was done..I do read Wolverine actually, almost every month as a matter of fact. My friend loves the guy so he collects Wolverine omics..Cap could knock wolvie out even if you don't want to admit it. Wolvie has been knocked out by less, a couple of shots to the back of his head would bring him down, it always has.

By using his shield as a weapon, i take it that you mean to 'throw his shield' right?. Cap wouldn't throw his shield unless he really needs to or if wolverine is so close enough that he wouldn't be able to dodge Caps shield if thrown at him. This would be a very poor move for Cap, he has enough sense as to not throw his shield much while fighting wolverine to reduce the risk of him actually losing it.....

Before you make a fool of yourself anymore please check this link out before you say Marvel.com doesn't have bios up anymore. And outdated or not Marvel has always listed Cap and Wolverine has having the same fighting ability, or Wolverine being better, not the otherway around.

http://www.marvel.com/bios/index.htm

And sure Cap COULD knock himout, but to do so he would have to use his shield as a weapon (thrown or not) and the second he left himself open like that Wolverine would gut him.

Why would Cap attacking leave him wide open? Its not like hed throw his Shield at Wolverine, hed just BASH him with it, while he was using it for defense. With Caps strength, and the material strength of the Shield, a few good carefully placed shots should knock Logan out. Again, Im not saying Cap would win easy, far from it, but I would say hed win more often than not.

Im not making a fool of myself My browser allways told me an erorr when i tried to go theyre, that was last week. It said '404 erorr file not found'. I guess its up now..

Last time i checked the New marvel encyclopedia that came out not long ago....Cap had all notches filled up for fighting skill(if i remenber correctly, their was 8 max). I checked it through and Nobody not even Wolverine had it max only Cap..

Thats what im trying to say also. Cap knows hes fighting wolverine, he ovbiously knows about the claws, he wouldn't leave himself open like that..

to hit Wolverine hard enough to knock him out Cap would have to swing it at him, leaving himself open - you can't use it to block and attack at the same time. Wolverine would gut him, that simple.

"Cap had all notches filled up for fighting skill(if i remenber correctly, their was 8 max). I checked it through and Nobody not even Wolverine had it max only Cap.."

No, the max was 7 and both Wolverine and Cap had a ranking of 7, the only two in the book. Please look this stuff up before you claim something.

"Cap knows hes fighting wolverine, he ovbiously knows about the claws, he wouldn't leave himself open like that"

Once again, Wolverine is as good a figher as Cap and would find an opening.

Cool site there, but after looking through very briefly, Im not sure how much stock Id put into there Bio ability ratings. Yes it did give Wolverine slightly higher Fighting level than Cap, but it also gave the Punisher the SAME FL as Cap, and that just aint right. HUGE Punisher fan here, but hes certainly not as good a fighter as Cap.

It also gave Wolverine better Strength, Agility and Reflexes than Cap. Does Logan have superhuman speed, dexterity and strength, I didnt think he did and hed have to for this to be so.

Is this site an official Marvel site, or was it done by a Marvel fan with good PC skills? Serious question there.

I personally have never seen wolverine look for a blind spot like you say he would. IMHO, hes a very sloppy fighter. He more than anybody leaves himself open. Cap in the other hand is a disiplined that allways choses his moves carefully. Iv'e read alot of Wolverine comics and he allways leaves himself open since his 'style' is mostly slashing. I Doubt that Cap would Ever leave an opening big enough for wolvie to 'gut' him. Cap is one of Marvels best, if not Best tactitians and strategist it has, its Extreamly doubtfull that he'll leave himself open without him noticing it..

So it was 7 eh, well i Did say "If i remenber correctly". Wolverine has more than a chance to win, but if he would actually Focus in a fight and slash like crazy i defitnelly Would(and i mean it) give it to him. But his lack of 'cool' and 'focus' in a fight makes me say other wise...

DTM - Whether or not you agree with the stats is (and no offense) meaningless. They are marvels characters, if they rate them that way thats its, thats how they are rated. And those are offical (same as the cards and books etc...)

But surely, you must see this mystake for what it is. A good number of those stats are wrong, heck thats why where i go to debate we don't use those stats not Even if they're in the Official site. So many mystakes........to many actually......

Really? Thats an official Marvel site? Cant believe that, since after checking through some more characters they give Juggernaut the same Intelligence as The Punisher, as well as giving Dr. Doom the same Durability as Punisher as well. (And Iron Mans Durability, only a 1 out of 7?) Now I find it hard to believe Dooms armor gives him no more protection that some kevlar, and Cain Marko is on the same intellectual level as Frank Castle, someone who routinely uses his smarts to get himself out of tight spots. This is really Marvels official site?

Yes it Is, That is why i don't really go or even Use that info because it has so many mystakes as you also noticed. I closed that page in anger when i saw those stats for the first time before the upgrade. There are So many mystakes that its unforgibable and that None of those stats should be taken for what they are.......

First they aren't mistakes, they are how the publisher and creators see thier characters. Just because you don't agree with them doesn't make them wrong.

Either way, EVERY marvel publication that Marvel has done (cards, books, website etc...) either has Cap and Wolverine as having the same fighting ability or Wolverine being better. Given that and Wolverines claws and healing ability he'd take Cap, it would be ugly and bloody, but he'd win in the end.

Wow......well, maybe they made some mistakes then, I truly cant see how they could have made some of those stats for some of their most popular characters.