well i have many complaints.

1.) it was poorly paced and i feel it skipped over alot of the meat of the story and felt very rushed. i.e. where the hell is my hulk vs. black bolt fight? that should have been epic.

2.) i feel it had people acting out of character about 12,000 times more than civil war ever did. the illuminati contains the smartest, most resourceful and powerful heroes there are. reed richards, the smartest man on earth, came up with the super great idea of shining an effing flashlight in his face and saying "oOoOoO i'm yor buddy the sentry" doctor strange willy nilly chugs some demon essance. iron mans only plan was built a big suit and fly straight into him. these are supposed to be genuises. and some douchebag alien coming out of space and out magicing doctor strange is just about the dumbest thing i've ever heard. the only people who should have been able to fight the hulk in an actual fight were black bolt and we got screwed out of that fight, and sentry who lost control of his power about 1.2 seconds into the battle for no apparent reason.

my list lost its organization and i just ranted. oh well. i just feel the writing was lazy and just generally bad and it was a crap end to the awesome planet hulk saga.

I liked the Hulk vs Black Bolt fight a lot. I mean, when they were heading towards Earth, they came up with the idea to take out Black Bolt first. Black Bolt wasn't sure of how powerful Hulk had actually gotten, and even after his devastating whisper, Hulk jumps at him and that was all I really needed. I liek the Inhumans and Black Bolt, but that was honestly all I needed to make me happy.
Reed knows of the Hulk as the Savage Hulk most of the time, and he was able to harness some of the Sentry's energy, to make Hulk actually believe he was there. It actually made sense to me. Dr. Strange tried to reason with him and when that failed, and he had his hands broken, he realized that the Hulk was angrier and more powerful than he had been before and tried to stop him by the first thing he could think of to become more powerful. Iron Man's main plans are always a bigger suit of armor. Plus, he thought he had the SPIN tech needles in his suit. When going up against the Hulk, you can pretty much only stop him by reasoning and making him Banner or overpowering him quickly enough. That was Tony's plan.
I thought the Hulk/Sentry fight was amazing. I mean, we have the Sentry who is incredibly powerful and way too powerful to fight most people fighting the Hulk who has the same problem. With that, they fought and I thought it was incredible. Sentry lost control of his power because, like everybody with power like that, they keep it in control by never using too much, but when they use too much, they lose control. That's what happened to Sentry.

i think it would been much much better if it were 2-3 issues longer just so these things dindt seem so hurried or rushed and no one was left wanting. seems like a wierd thing to say about a series i didn't have the detail work or civil war and of what i've seen of secret invasion.

See, but they couldn't do that, because it would have overlapped with the build/beginnings of Secret Invasion. And the only way you can have two events in a comic universe is to have them be completely separate from each other (i.e. Annihilation and Sinestro Corps War). It probably would have been better if given more time to breathe, but I don't think it was a bad story. With Planet Hulk at 14 issues and Skaar: Son of Hulk at 12 (although I've seen the word ongoing bandied about in the solicits), it seems easy enough to assume that Greg Pak likes longer story lines. And considering that Marvel had to fit this between Civil War and Secret Invasion, and were probably champing at the bit to get the Jeph Loeb/Ed McGuinness ongoing to launch (and hey, we might actually see issue three this month!).

I think they did the best they could with what they had. And it couldn't have been the worst crossover/event ever considering it wasn't even the worst crossover of last year. We can thank Countdown for making nearly every other book on the shelf better simply by comparison.

Almost a year ago, Dylan and I reviewed the first 2 months of countdown on “Battle of the Century” and we came to the conclusion that the first two months sucked major ######. It was no “52”. This month, the end of this dreadful series is swiftly approaching and the start of Grant Morrison’s Final Crisis is less than three weeks away. So, I thought I’d stop in and check on the weekly series that refused to be cancelled and review the last could issues. First, the covers are excellent; second, there is no second.

http://readrant.wordpress.com/2008/0...countdown-4-3/

I think the real issue to be discussed is the amazing run that Claremont Did, and what a Crap Storm that swirled around Morrisons run of the X-Men. I already talked about this on the website, but the truth must be known. I will not have Claremonts run be smudged by bad opinions!

Also, WWH wasn't good. It is hard to argue that. It can be enjoyable, and I think these two words sometimes get confused with eachother. The Hulk v. Sentry fight was the only "good" thing about the series. Everything else can only be classified as either "Bad" or "enjoyable". I have no problem with a person enjoying WHH, but once you start saying it is good, then I start spitting out opinions.

The fact is, 03looky is right, the story was rushed. Five issues was not enough time to tell a story of such magnitude. To say that they couldn't have more issues because it would conflict with Secret Invasion is ridiculous. You are working in the wrong direction of time. It is not as if the Marvel universe is happening at a constant speed, and that by 2010 all comics have to be over. The fact of the matter is, WWH should have been longer from the outset, and Invasion should have been pushed back. We have infinite time to tell these stories, give them proper respect or don;t do the story at all. And that is the problem with WWH.

See, it being good or bad is opinion. Everything is opinion. Things that you say are objective really aren't. Now, as objectively as I can look at it, I will say that it could have been much better, but wasn't bad. Was it the best (objectively) story ever? No. But it wasn't (trying to objective) bad. Yes, if it was larger, it could have been better, but honestly, aside from longer fights, which when drawn out too long can become boring, but it wasn't, and I think it was fine as it. I also really liek the story, but that is very subjective. Objectively (as much as possible), it really isn't bad.

i was operating under the belief that all opinions were subjective, but today, you have proved the fallacy of such a belief. thanks for setting me straight and i'm sure the realms thanks you for making the truth known. :)

i responded to this over at read/rant so there's really no need to repeat myself. feel free to comment back on either site, for i frequent both.

-Billy Z.

EDIT: the link for those following at home:

http://readrant.wordpress.com/2008/0...p-10/#comments

I have room in my heart for all X-Men stories.

Except for Deadly Genesis. That was awful. ;)

yeah, that was definitely a miss for Brubaker... but his Cap is so astonishingly jaw-dropping, i think we can sweep it under the rug.

Hey, I liked Deadly Genesis! Well, I liked the retconning to an extent. I tmade it make more sense. The rest of the story wasn't great (and they killed Banshee), but I liked Darwin, Vulcan, Sway and Petra.

Marvel certainly has. No publicity for Vulcan-related stuff at all after Rise and Fall of The Shi'Ar Empire, save for the usual 'Out this week' sort of thing.

I hope all that nonsense is over soon, I miss Rachel Grey and Havok.

he got his own mini, didn't he?

...it was pretty good.

Yep, but as I said, very little publicity attached to it. Seemed to me as though Marvel realised the story had to be told as it'd gotten to that point, but that trying to force Vulcan down people's throats (eww) was a bad idea after negative reaction to the character. (Or at the very least, the concept that brought him about.)

Just my personal opinion of course, but it's what I saw the situation as.

i don't think the use of Vulcan was that much of an editorial decision. i think Brubaker wanted to use this character he created in his grand space opera with the shi'ar and so he did. i don't think Marvel cared one way or the other, as long as Uncanny was selling. after that, i'm sure there was a significant number of people demanding a continuation to that story, and so they threw the Vulcan mini out there to see how it would sell. i have no idea how it sold, but if it did well, we can expect more Vulcan, if not... he's as dead as Alpha Flight.

point, i don't think Marvel sees Vulcan as a mistake. if some Marvel writer decides that he wants to tell a Vulcan story, i don't see why they would tell him "no".