Not overly excited about Mr. S here. I was really hoping for some Mastermind, Stealth, and maybe a Minions of Doom TA ( he worked with alot of groups over the years) PB with a 6 range, the 9 attack, and a 10 click life with Regen kinda turned me off. Plus I'm not paying over a 100 points for a "support" figure. I was hoping for some Ultimate Previews. Hopefully we'll get Thor or Hawkeye next week.

I like Sinister, and I'll use him just cuz he's cool.

Although I do believe he is a little overcosted ( a 90 cost would have been nice) I'm not disappointed.

As long as Magneto gets done right otherwise there will be hfil to pay!

I love the character and the sculpt, but I i'm just going to have to hold judgment till the sats are all laid out. What if he always has at least a 15 Defense? Or at least an 8 Attack? Sure I doubt those will happen but that could make him one heck of a fig. Who knows?

But I do have one problem...whats up with the Shapechange? I don't ever recall him being able to alter his apperence.

Not only can he change his appearance (most commonly to that of a bearded black man), he was Val Cooper's husband!

The question is does a 6 range accurately represent Mr. S powers? He could make these energy blasts from his hands from what I remember. Now how do you measure how far those blasts can go? I don't know. I always imagined he could shoot blasts at least as far as cyclops could since he went up against Scott a bunch of times. So if Cyclops has a 10 range why does Sinister only get a 6?

And yes, you are being anal rententive

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say most people who think Mr. Sinister looks like he'll be a pretty playable clix are probably fans of the character and mostly just glad to see him in clix form. I'm not trying to show any disrespect to their opinion, and I've really got nothing against the character other than that he's another X-men related clix. From reading up on the character and your guys takes on him, it seems like Wizkids portrayed him pretty accurately.

However, let's look at him objectively. First of all, in his write-up, he's described as a support character. This is simply ridiculous. Sure, he's got perplex, his only true support power, but keeps it only for a couple of clix, and he'll be using it a lot more on himself than his teammates to boost up damage, range or the low attack for his cost. To further quelch any ideas of him being a support character is his rather low range. True, perplex has a range of 10, but are ya really going to field this guy over clix half, a quarter or almost a tenth of his points just for perplex? I highly doubt it.

Secondly, that 6 range truly is the worst thing about the character. If it was a 10 or even an 8, he could perplex his range up to be able to join the minority of clix who can hit from 9-12 squares away. As it is, he has "Doctor Fate" syndrome and will have to get awfully close to the combat to be able to be a true threat.

Next, lack of flight/leap-climb/phasing will prove to be a serious Achilles heel. As already pointed out, if he had flight, he would always be able to make his PB attack and be able to damage opponent's with damage reducing powers, not to mention avoiding terrain and opposing clix in movement. Unfortunately, you'll be able to base him with a much lower point costed but still decent clix, and could basically keep him busy the entire game.

Another problem, but not quite as serious with the presence of perplex, is his 9 attack and 2 damage. Again, Doctor Fate shares the same attack "fate," but makes up for it with lots of probability control and a starting 3 damage on his E version for only 7 points more. If Sinister tacks some perplex onto his attack, he'll be hitting for less damage. If he bumps up damage, he's taking a bigger gamble in missing the hit altogether. It's not a choice I like to have to make with so many points tied up in a character.

Finally, Sinister's point cost is what will ultimately prove to be a problem. He poses a bigger threat to his own team for the points he takes away from playing more reliable attackers or supporters for the same price, and for being a pretty big target without being a very big threat to the opponent. I understand he's got a long dial and regeneration, his only saving attributes in my opinion, but, that's going to mean very little to someone who can keep him tied up long enough while his teammates are taken out at which point he can then be ganged up on. Point for point, he'd have a hard time taking anyone on one-on-one, not to mention a team of clix who add up to his cost.

You know who can take Mr. Sinister? My Silver Dreadnought...and just one of them at that. Higher damage + higher attack + higher range = TROUBLE for Mr. Sinister. The Dreadnought can move, and move far, and keep out of range of Sinister. If he gets just one shot off on the X-men villain and knocks him off of Invulnerability, The LE Dreadnought can then rush him and base him. If you're concerned about the perplex, go ahead and target him a 2nd time from range to knock him past that. At this point, if the Dreadnought bases Sinister while keeping his invulnerability, the Dreadnought can just keep hacking away at Mr. S who can do nothing but try to break away. Sure, I'll admit Mr. Sinister could still take the LE Dreadnought out with good shapechange, break-away and regeneration rolls, but, that's a lot of rolling. Meanwhile, point for point, I still have 50pts. left over to throw at him if I wanted to in a point-for-point match.

All in all, not to take anything away from Sinister's fans who I assume are just happy to finally have a click of the guy, but Sinister is far from a good piece, let alone a good support piece. E Doctor Fate, with PC, flight, JSA team ability...now THAT'S a good support piece and all for a few points more. I'm sure Sinister will have good staying power, but it isn't going to mean much if he can't do much or anything while he "stays" in the game. Again, I don't know anything about this character in the comics, but as we've seen other powerful X-men villains get the ho-hum treatment in clix, if I was a fan, I'd be hoping for a VERY good U Magneto to make up for the lack-luster showings of them so far.

To close, I'd just like to point out, that since I try to always play comics themed teams and games, I'll play the guy if I ever build a team to fight a friend's X-men team. Other than that, I don't know if I'd ever use him. The Big A has never seen the light outside my clix box. I'm afraid Sinister's going to share the same fate. We'll see. Maybe something on his dial will stand out in person. As for now, he's not looking to good.

Take a close look at Ultimate Electro, it's Riff-Raff!

I sense a conspiracy by the sculptors . . .

Couldn't agree more. Plus, if he had an 8 range, a 10 attack and a 17 defense at that cost, EVERYONE would use him every freakin' game. Same w/Dr. Fate and the 8 range everyone wished he had, or Batman and the 10 AV everyone covets for him, etc.

Make you a deal, naysayers. When you pull Sinister next month, feel free to send the useless hunk of plastic to me. I'd be more than happy to take the paperweight off of your hands and won't even charge you a handling fee. Consider it a gift to you, my fellow Realmers.

"Plus I'm not paying over a 100 points for a "support" figure."

Hey, Legion-of-Doom, you're right. You're not paying over a 100pts. for a support figure when you're playing Mr. Sinister 'cause he's not a support figure. I don't know what he is, but "support" he sure ain't!

More X baddies! I'll probably use him in a theme team somewhere. other than that it depends how stable his stats are. While he does look very hard to kill it doesn't help a lot if he's not doing anything. Pairing him up with a few cheap attackers will make a world of difference though. he's got a lot of good things that just don't quite come together as a great package. Who would work with him in a theme team. Sabretooth obviously, Goblin Queen, maybe a brainwashed Cyclops as mentioned. Gambit at a stretch. No other marauders, Random or Havok around unfortunately. Maybe Beast for Dark Beast? Were Dark Beast and Mr Sinister associates or rivals in Age of Apocalypse? I know Dark Beast was trying to hide from Marvel U Mr Sinister.

YAY! Another of my favs is in this set! He seems like he'll be worth the points. 10 clicks of life for barely over 100 pts. isn't bad at all, especially when you consider all the powers he has on top that. It will interesting to see his dial though.

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Originally posted by turdburglar47
OF COURSE bumping his range up two more would make him better. OF COURSE raising his attack value would make him better. This is universal, you can say the same thing for every fig that's ever been made. Is it just a 'pointing out the obvious' thing?

Seems that every fig that comes out with less than 8 range or a 10 attack or a 17 defense gets the same comments. "An 8 range would be better. A 10 attack would be better. I don't like that weak 16 defense." OF COURSE they'd be better. They are higher stats! NO DUH!
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I couldn't say it any better then that. People need to realize that they need to make figs like the comic characters and this involves making a character with shorter range and a lower whatever then we want. Anyway i don't think he is the strongest guy in the world, he isnt going to fight Thor. He is an X-Men villian and his point value and stats show that. I think it is accurate. Someone says that maybe he deserves a higher range since he fights cyclops. Well Sinister isnt a blasting bad guy - he stays in the background and when they come close he can either attack. And that is why I think they gave him the low av, he hasn't shown his true potential, because he is one of those guys who rarely fights.
Is it true that only cyclops can hurt him...I thought he was just more affected by it then any other person's attack. But im not really sure. Any X-Men experts know?

It has been stated that Cyclops (and i think maybe Havok) are the only oners that can hurt him, due to his experimenting on himself with the Summers bloodline. I think it's probably been retconned since then, though.

Whine, whine, whine that's all people on this site ever do. Sinister looks great to me. You don't like the figs PLEASE for the love god, quit playing. Not every figure is a one man army. That's part of the challenge.

first sinister gets shafted in marvel vs, now he gets shafted in marvel heroclix, soooo sad.... he's one of my fave villains, up there with apocalypse, too bad they both plain ####. at least in vs, Apocalypse totally rocks.

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