I believe he's claiming that he copied Darkstone's power (a track) and then used that on Grizz, who he saw targeting 5 people.

This is correct.

Grizzz is trying to say the clones are bad:
Frankenjustice, AntiGangles, Dreamus, Burnt Afterthought, etc

So GFish really was mafia, Frankenjustice, who tried to kill the Leaguers.



@Nifty

You have a bulletproof vest if Af targeted you with my night 2 ability.

Wait a minute - I may have gotten DarqFeonix and Darkstone confused (I forgot about DF and was wondering why AF was spelling Dark(stone) with a Q).

AF says he targeted DarqFeonix with my power, but IR claims to have MDed AF. Darq claims to have targeted Grizz to learn that Grizz targeted 5 people... and many have claimed of failed actions. A Bizarro character seems like he'd be a prime candidate for having a 'mass block' power for being so ridiculous a nuisance.

However... if AF was not MDed, DF would not have gotten the results that he did. Again, the nature of misdirection with multiple targets is crucial to figuring this out.

When I mod, it's whatever power the hitman is using that night. But every mod is different.

Everyone needs to weigh in on the Grizzz clone theory.

The same would be true if Af was lying about his actions, would it not?

Clones certainly seem to be bad.

This post was in response to Darq posting earlier that Grizzz was very active last night. This would seem to confirm Darq's results.

I mean, as a theory it's certainly worth considering... although I'm not sure how it works... So were both of Gfish's characters bad? Or just the first one. Seems odd since they were tied together thematically (cloak/dagger and Hawk/dove).

I wouldn't trust ANY of the clones however... we know that's kind of Sineater's bag. The "shell" theory is interesting. Basically shown in the write-up as one character, while showing as another when targeted? However I think Gangles and Anti-Gangles are two separate characters... since we saw both of them "make kills" last night...

It's a credible theory. I'm even leaning toward believing it, but how does it work in practice and in the game structure? Gfish died as Ebb when Frankjustice appeared. Why did he appear and why does he not appear on the player list? We strongly suspect The Rat to be Anti-Gangles who is actually killing players. Ergo, Anti-Gangles is actually a player and would appear on the dead player list. So what ties them all together?

We've got some heavy mod smoke screens going on. One theory is that gfish was mafia but didn't know he was. One theory is a lynch bomb and gfish got taken out before he could reveal who he bombed.

So let's say we believe the theory. LC says he got Dreamus when targeting Af. Af killed Grinner but as Gangles. That would lend credence to players being scum but unaware of it, much as traditional clones aren't aware they they aren't the original. I guess the question now is should we lynch Afr to test this? Before we do and I think I'd be up for it, I'd like to hear from vlad.

Why do Frankenjustice & Ebb die the same day if Frankenjustice is supposed to be a cover?

And if it was a lynch bomb, whrre is Frankenjustice on the player list?

In theory, GFish would have been Blind Justice's clone. He shot Ebb and Flow, who were NPCs, covers for his identity as a baddie. Then Hellspawn finishes "GFish" off as a flavor kill.

That's how Stranger avoided the mafiaS jumping ship problem. One lynch and they die. One nightkill and their NPC shell dies.

GFish copped mafia because he was mafia.

Stupid phone is now autocorrecting mafias to mafiaS.

I don't have bulletproof vest as far as I know.

I think cloned Endless are definitely possible baddies.

This is a very plausible explanation of how that would work. It's kinda like that Squadron Supreme role from that one Hybridity.

Okay. And does he know WHO those 5 people are, and does it match up with those who failed last night?

Can you restate it in non-Bizarro talk for those of us who are never sure how many negatives are supposed to be in Bizarro talk?

Yes. So either AF or IR is lying in that regard.

And did we ever get any more info on Vlad, who most of our votes are on?

And would AF using my power have any effect on my power?