I recall that those MK Omens dials eventually loosened and/or the upper portion warped slightly when opening them repeatedly to swap dial stickers, at which point they became just as hard to use as the current cup bases. Probably not a large issue, unless you're also considering using the multi-dial swap option as well (please please don't. It led to so much cheating), but it is at least a consideration.

Aside from that, I'm all for it. I like the aesthetics and would also appreciate that extra millimeter or two of space for positioning mods.

How would the Oreo concept work with Double-based figures? If the point of the redesign is to be intuitive, I'd think having the same mechanism on every piece in the game would be important. As for myself, I'd vote for the H-style design with a more prominent H (or X) than can be turned with ordinary figures.

First, thanks to Justin for letting us participate in this idea gathering. That's really awesome, IMHO.

Something I don't think anyone's brought up yet: would it be possible to add back in the notches on the back of the dial for object tokens? It's so much easier on the H-dials to indicate when someone is holding an object (and I always get a laugh from newbies when I teach them how to "hold an object by sticking it in the clix's butt"...). Small considerations like that can make a dial design SO much better.

I really like this idea. I really hope the base is grabbable, although the notches on the side look like you'd be able to wedge a fingernail in there if need be. I'm all for it! Me hates the cuppy bases, and I understand the hesitance about the H-dials, much as I love my turny rings.

I like it. Two thoughts:

1. Would it be possible to sell something similar to MK dial that would be compatible with older bases in order to swap out the old style with the new? what i mean is having a add on that could be sold separately that could be added to either old style base.

2. Will the new dials come with a creme filling? MMMMMMMMMMMMM creme filling.

Two things.
First. Much of the dial problems with breaking revolve around tiny connections to the base. Those need to be improved as much as anything. I'm hesitant to click even figs like Chase Manhunter because that flight effect looks flimsy.
Second. Would a new dial structure involve a price increase? I'm not sure I could handle another one of those.

However, fix the dials and don't increase the price? I'm down.

I appreciate your position, and any time you folks come out and look for insight it's great. I also think it's great that you do endeavor to find ways to improve the product. So, in that sense, I hope what I say here is constructive to that point and doesn't come off as tooth-gnashing fanboyism.

Likewise, for the sake of this discussion and with respect to where you're treading, I'll stand by my POV instead of tiptoeing around other issues that exist between HeroClix and its players, much less saturate the topic with expanded explanations for the reasons I already presented.

So, in response to your third point - while it's difficult to glean from this forum most times, I'd wager that pretty much all of us agree with that goal. Summarily, any change you consider must serve this end, because we can't keep sharing the costs for trial and error.

Otherwise, I second the creme filling!

I will just say it.

The "H" dial reach the perfection. No more broken figures. Period.
The only time those dials were a problem were in Avengers.

Why change when you arrive to the perfection?

All this is only to reduce the cost of a Heroclix ring on the starter (and maybe action) packs???


I try to be positive but this could bring changes that we dont and why do it when after many years we found the "right" dial? I dont remember people having issues wuth the "H" more than in Avengers.

Respectfully, Justin has already responded to the "H" dial question:

Emphasis mine.

It bears mentioning that the much lauded "H" design has its share of detractors as well, myself included. I would call that far from perfect design.

It should be noted that nowhere above does Justin say that "cost" (of rings) is the issue. The "cost" he refers to is in direct response to concerns that a new dial design would have costs that would be passed along to the consumer.

Indeed, if we are to presume that a new dial design will incur costs for WK (and I am reasonably sure it would between R&D and changing the manufacturing process), we can resaonably conclude that cutting costs is not the reason behind the dial change in the first place.

Folk need to abandon this "cost" fallacy IMO.

I was thinking about this. If the turn ring is such a big deal with the "H" bases maybe it's what needs redone. It wouldn't be all that much of a redo. It just needs to not be a ring. As far as fashion accessories go yeah it's gay(for lack of a better term) Now if it were just a tool used for turning the dials it's not that bad.

Why it was ever even made into something to wear is beyond me.

Yes a tool could be a good answer aswell. I know at one point, someone, somewhere manufactured clear plastic tool with an L at the tip to turn figures like ultimates wolverine. Of course it won't help anymore since the design was changed and it's no longer an L.

If we go with the champions style base, I would say to try to shorten it some, and if possible keep the top part the same size as the H bases had in the past and only rework the bottom part. That way if it doesn't work, or if anyone that doesn't like it they can at least salvage favorite characters by swapping the bottoms and stickers for the old H's. (Like I did with some of the Avengers figures)

I think he's saying that the H bases obscure the turning mechanic (ie when you look at it it looks less like a turning dial) whereas other designs have enough immediately visible moving parts so as to spark curiosity in onlookers.

I like the new base design. If I understand how it works, it looks like an improvement over both Cup bases (which require that you hold the figure to turn) and the H bases (which require fingernails or a ring to turn). Looks like it would be real progress to me!

If that is perfection for you Carlos, I do NOT want to meet your "perfect worman".

I dont think this is a good reason. There many other ways to atract new players.

Also I previously did not see that this could cost to Neca/WK and I dont want this to be a posible reason to make Clixs price go up again.

I dont want to pay more for the costs of a new base that I may dont want and that is too different from previous clixs And may make look previous Heroclixs too different (the elevation is too high on this warrior bases).

If they could made this warrior base thin/slim almost as the current Heroclix and work better For SURE and still is "easy" to pop out I agree, if not, this will ne a problem that may also make Clix cost more making us angry in the same time.

Maybe perfection the H dial could be better, more "safe" and cost less.