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The Trait also says that he can use Damage Powers. Which Outwit and Perplex both are. Either it's contradictory, or using the word range, as the english word use of it and not game speak, in this instance, refers to the "range" being within 10 squares for outwit and perplex.
It's celarly not the intent here and apparently everybody agreed that this is just a mistake, so I guess you can just forget about all this and just count the squares from the chosen character, no matter what, but still : as written, it doesn't work that way.
While we're all in agreement, I wouldn't say no matter what. We still haven't heard the final word from the rules posse so I'm not 100% confident yet.
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The Trait also says that he can use Damage Powers. Which Outwit and Perplex both are. Either it's contradictory, or using the word range, as the english word use of it and not game speak, in this instance, refers to the "range" being within 10 squares for outwit and perplex.
Range is a game term so it always has to be used in the sense of the game term. You can't start applying a game term one way in some situations while applying in its common way in other situations. When you start doing that, rules stop having any meaning.
With the added stipulation that he can perform ranged combat attacks even if that friendly character is adjacent to an opposing character.
can he make a ranged attack to an opposing char. eventhough the friendly char. is adjacent to another opposing fig. i didnt know because Prof X isn't physically engaged with the other figures
can he make a ranged attack to an opposing char. eventhough the friendly char. is adjacent to another opposing fig. i didnt know because Prof X isn't physically engaged with the other figures
Yes. Unless Professor X is adjacent to an opposing character, Professor X can do a ranged combat attack (with one of his powers) through a friendly character that is adjacent to an opposing character. He could even do a ranged combat attack (with one of his powers) against an opposing character that is not adjacent to the friendly character while the friendly character is adjacent to a different opposing character assuming range and LOF.
I also really would like to know if it encompass any power he can use, or if it is limited to power he actually possess.
It just says "his powers" (paraphrased). No indication of use or possession is made.
I'd err on the side of caution, then and say only possessed powers (so if he picks up Mjolnir, he can't use EE), but I could certainly see it going either way. This is definitely one for the Parking Lot.
The Trait also says that he can use Damage Powers. Which Outwit and Perplex both are.
Both Perplex and Outwit state "A character using this power must be within 10 squares of the target and have a clear line of fire to the target". The bolded part is what prevents Prof. X from being able to use Perplex to use Outwit or Perplex on someone more than 10 squares away from him.
There would also be Mikron O'Jeneus, if he were adjacent to the Prof. there are a few more attack powers to work out.
Then what happens with the friendly with the shared key word and Pulse wave?
Can he Quake? he inst adjacent but counts range from that square.
He could "chuck" a meteor at you for penetrating.... tee hee hee
How about TK?
Smoke cloud?
Poison? not adjacent I would guess...
Steal energy would be fun if you can make close combat attacks.
And TK would be great, though limited to 8 squares from Xavier and the Target. You could be on elevated or in a building and have a friendly at the door or on the edge, and pull someone into your group....
Then what happens with the friendly with the shared key word and Pulse wave?
What about it? Why would PW work any differently than any other ranged combat power?
Assuming he could even use it in the first place, of course, which I don't know if he could (see my previous post about possession of the powers).
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Can he Quake? he inst adjacent but counts range from that square.
Quake, like all close combat actions/attacks, requires adjacency and not LOF.
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He could "chuck" a meteor at you for penetrating.... tee hee hee
Or not. A) Meteorite is not a power (unless you were trying to argue he could use Super Strength at range, which might be possible... I'd have to look into it a bit... depending on the whole possess issue I alreday mentioned), B) the Meteorite's special effects only function for close combat attacks and C) the Meteorite does not deal penetraring damage.
and I am just going to stop there, since we don't know if it works with only possessed powers or not.
Also, it says he counts his speed value. Does that mean he can start in the starting area, but move from the square the friendly character is in? Almost teleporting? Or did I misread that?
And still no word on the outwit/perplex right? This thread is blowing up so I'm hoping it gets condensed.
Also, it says he counts his speed value. Does that mean he can start in the starting area, but move from the square the friendly character is in? Almost teleporting? Or did I misread that?
No, it says "speed power", not "speed value".
IN CONTACT WITH CEREBRO: If Professor X is in your starting area, he can draw lines of fire and count Range for his Speed, Attack, and Damage powers from the square of any friendly character with whom he shares a keyword.
Oh so MC I get it now. Can't one of you rules dudes at least say "We are looking into outwit/perplex so shutup about it until then and follow what your judge rules" rather then just completely ignore everyone?
Edit: And if I missed the part where one of you said that please point it out, but I believe I read every post looking for it.
Both Perplex and Outwit state "A character using this power must be within 10 squares of the target and have a clear line of fire to the target". The bolded part is what prevents Prof. X from being able to use Perplex to use Outwit or Perplex on someone more than 10 squares away from him.
Using a similar tactic of Bolding key elements here.....
IN CONTACT WITH CEREBRO: If Professor X is in your starting area, he can draw lines of fire and count Range for his Speed, Attack, and Damage powers from the square of any friendly character with whom he shares a keyword.
the addition of :and count Range sounds to me like it is a separate instance occuring in addition to all the other things that can happen, i.e. count range for something that requires him to do so, like P/PB.
With that said.....his TRAIT let's him draw LoF in order to use his damage powers, which are outwit and perplex, from the square of any friendly with whom he shares a keyword.
seems to make sense to me.....a lot more simple than this thread would imply
Last edited by silversurfr77; 03/18/2011 at 20:09..
the addition of :and count Range sounds to me like it is a separate instance occuring in addition to all the other things that can happen
If Outwit said that it had a range value of ten, or if it said that the character with it could use it on anyone within their range and line of fire, then the Prof could use Outwit or Perplex on characters as if he were in the square occupied by the friendly figure he shares a keyword with. But since the powers both explicitly state that the target has to be 10 squares or less away from the figure using the power, the wording of the power trumps the wording of the trait.
Couldn't find an answer to this question; sorry if it's already been asked.
Hypothetical: Professor X has two friendly characters (Friendly A and Friendly B) on the map with whom he shares a keyword, and thus can use ICWC with them. From Friendly A's square Professor X can draw line of fire to Opposing A. From Friendly B's square Professor X can draw line of fire to Opposing B. A line of fire cannot be drawn from Friendly A to Opposing B and from Friendly B to Opposing A.
Question: Can Professor X, using his two lightning bolts to make a dual-target Psychic Blast attack (or Mind Control or Incapacitate), target Opposing A from Friendly A's square and Opposing B from Friendly B's square? Put another way, can he use two different friendly squares to draw lines of fire to two targets for a single ranged combat action?
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