Yeah make sure its 100pt Composite Superman w/ every Legionnaire made, a 50pt Hank Pym w/ every possible swap out, 2, 40pt, aaou007 Ultron Sentry w/ 2 more and 2 Ultron Mk 1 sideboarded, 1 entity and a 44pt Lantern Battery (with unused constructs sideboarded) = 299

EDIT: Make sure the Meta-Man is setting down his last Legionnaire, so that on the back of the shirt:

"...unless its called for time."

EDIT2: on second thought that's redundant because that causes a roll-off too right?

Grasshopper is a Modern Age legal figure. Thus, should someone use this build at a high level, it becomes PART of the current meta.

WOW, I'm gonna be a Grasshopper too!

Gah. Ignore this post. Reading comprehension failure.

[COLOR="Zeal"]"That word... I do not think it means what you think it means."[/color]

EDIT: follow up to above:

37 Legion Of Superheroes in Modern
15 constructs on a Green Lantern battery
8+ Hank Pym dials for sideline (there are 3 in the main set and a 6-pack so far right?)
4+ Ultrons on sideline

60* (or more) things to sideline [*some of the constructs will be on the map]

I guess even fun has a trade off point...

From the HCTR

The grasshopper Team seems to de-emphasizes "exciting action" in order to put a more heavy emphasis on "fast play".

Sure it does!

I cannot rep this post enough. Both players are spending hundreds of dollars, both are trying to have fun, both are potentially playing annoying (but completely legal) builds...but there's been this weird subjective call that one guy's fun is less relevant.


That would be a cool shirt...at least until the rule gets changed. I'd wear it.

I don't typically get involved in these meta-convo's but the pages devoted to this have been interesting reading.

A lot of folks have commented on "fun" as well as the assumed cost of a visit to a large champ level venue, but I think songwriterz has it down pat. The sides shown so far are the "legalists" vs the "semantics". Regardless, the following points cannot be dsiputed.

1. The build is legal. The team plays conforming to current WK rules.

2. Why is the meta-player's money/fun/travel-diary so much more valuable than the grasshopper player's money/fun/travel-diary? In short, its not.

3. Fun is sooooo subjective. I can have fun when I lose (sometimes quite frequently) and I have fun when I win. My "win" fun is usally because my strategy worked or team build was sound. The win itself is not the fun for me, but the validation of my method to win is the fun. I know there a jillion different opinions on this forum about fun and play and sportsmanship and that is cool with me. I respect it all (I don't buy it all, but I do respect that others have different opinions).

Someone has even written about "glee" in the eyes of the player fielding this apparently universe-shattering team and using that as criteria for a DQ. Riiiight.
As a rule, one should probably abstain from being so colorful and subjective in descriptions of the other players in the venues they attend, but regardless please refer to #1.

Sidenote: I have seen some awesome players destroy opponents at various venues and read hundreds of posts on this forum regarding some of the best in the game. I am almost sure they had some level of "glee" in their eyes when they were decimating their opponents. And I am sure the losing players never remarked on the fact that they shouldnt have been beat so badly because they drove "x" hours and spent "x" money and requested "x" days off.

Simply put, driving anywhere and spending money on entry fees that ALL participants pay is not an argument for banning a legally fielded and legally played team.

The fun argument gets a little more sympathy from me, because yes I would hate to lose in a roll-off to the grasshopper team, but I would also not mind the odds of a 50/50 win (yes, I know its a zero points win). But I would be hard pressed to explain to my 12-year old daughter, who is learning the game, that the grasshopper team she lost to is not "anti-fun", but rather "anti-meta". However, I would probably start the conversation out by saying that life isn't fair and that sometimes even things that exist within the rules make things hard on other people. Then I would take her to another table and buy her a bunch of convention exclusives and other paraphernalia as a make-up for her loss and then maybe go catch a movie with her. Maybe.

Anyhoo, this has been interesting reading. I appreciate the points of view being shared.

Sandman and 32 ID cards.

SIDEBAR: This is probably the perfect build for those of you in a small pond being griefed by a "big fish."

Got a munchkin in your midst who plays every game like it's the Gencon finals? Plunk this down and get the thing over with.

[COLOR="Zeal"]I didn't think I could enjoy this thread more... now I do.[/color]

We might get the rules changes both in roll-offs AND Tactic % of build limitations. Now that's a 0-point win if ever there was one.

I think what is at issue here with ROC is that a judge may make a subjective call on perceived intent. If the grashopper player is deliberately not trying to win, that brings up questions of collusion. How the Judge makes that call I dont know.

Teal.



It's Teal.

Honestly. Picking up Sandman and 2 Grasshoppers is by far the best 10$ ever spent.
I'm sure that we'll see more Copycats being played "in case" this team shows up lol