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View Poll Results: What did you think of Final Crisis?
I loved it! Best event in a while!
14
9.21%
It was liked it, but it wasn't as good as Crisis on Infinite Earths.
7
4.61%
It was so-so. I liked parts but felt it could have ben better in others.
I apologize if I came off as rude in anyway. I was at work, and didn't really have the luxury of going in depth as I might have liked.
Ah, don't let it bother you, we all have our moments, especially on the 'net.
We had our back and forth and I think we were both quite civil during the exchange.
It was okay. It wasn't epic enough in impact to warrant calling it a "crisis" (not like COIE or Infinite Crisis), but it was a big crazy story. It was confusing and a bit tough to understand, but it wasn't (to me) pure garbage. I don't mind when comics are confusing, sometimes the challenge makes them a better read. It wasn't a work of genius, but it wasn't, either, hack work. I looked forward to each issue, and I didn't feel my money was wasted.
That being said.... good lord am I eagerly anticipating Blackest Night!
This is What I Want(ed, circa GSX/2010): Nextwave ATA: 100 pts. may use all Team Abilities as long as force is only Nextwave keyword.
I've decide that I really don't like how Batman was shown here. Throughout R.I.P. and Final Crisis, Morrison makes Batman seem more than a man. Back up personalities? Thought weapons? Switching cups while the person blinks? Using a damn gun?
I don't like Batman like this. I get that he is the man with the plan, but he should still be a man. He should have failings.
Now, this is all my personal opinion, but its one of the reasons I didn't like R.I.P. and Final Crisis.
If I had paid for that, I would want my money back.
As is... there were some damn cool moments in there. Pity there was no freakin' storyline to string them together. And can someone point me to where in issue 7 it actually ended? I've read it twice and can't find it.
My god, it's like someone paid off DC to make something that made Civil War and Secret Invasion seem like modern classics...
hell, at least One More Day had a plotline and kept to it without filling it full of 'kewl stuff'...
The story opens on one of the other worlds of the Multiverse, where (presumeably) races have changed (I'd hate to say reversed, as that implies a binary between black and white that I don't want to establish for a variety of reasons, one of which pertains to this comic!).
Nubian Wonder Woman talks about the horn passed down by the gods in a time of great crisis (some sort of final crisis, perhaps???) before a portal opens and we see The Question recruiting the various supermen of the multiverse in an effort to stop Darkseid.
We cut to the Watchtower of the earth we're all familiar with, which is protected from the anti-life equation. However, the multiverse is collapsing thanks to darkseid, and apparently shards of these other universes contain some surprises, including the Metal Men of Earth-44, who are basically robot versions of The JLA. There's an interesting panel there with Power Girl (the sole survivor of the last time the multiverse collapsed), Starman (who is wearing a map to the multiverse, as established in Johns's JSA) and Frankenstein, a character from Seven Soldiers that plays an important role later in the story.
Anyway, the magnetic field protecting the watchtower interferes with the Metal Men of Earth-44, so the JLABots are going nuts up on the watchtower. They've wrecked the trophy room, and what the people on the station can salvage is being loaded in a rocket (this is done for posterity's sake; it appears darkseid has truly won, so this rocket is being sent out in the hopes that some day, Earth can be remembered for what it once was).
Cut to Superman confronting Darkseid. Darkseid mocks Superman, who was taken out way back when and has been dealing with the repecussions of his attempt to save Lois in Superman Beyond (and seriously, those of you who complain about not being able to read final crisis 1-7 and get every plot point...If the book says final crisis on it somewhere, and it's written by Morrison, it's probably relevant, and you should probably read it. Otherwise you're like Donny from the Big Lebowski).
Anyway, Darkseid gloats, and Superman realizes Darkseid has taken over Dan Turpin's body (Dan Turpin being a character kirby created back when he wrote New Gods and later showing up in the superboy series as a detective with the metropolis Special Crimes unit). Anyway, Superman is pretty pissed about this. Darkseid, who is in his death throes from the bullet Batman shot him with, states "There is a Black Hole where my heart should be" which will come up later, so in the meantime, remember it.
Barry Allen and the Flash Family come just in time to have The Omega Beams and the Black Racer collide with Darkseid, destroying him.
We see Superman working on the miracle machine that brainiac 5 showed him in FC #6. I'll go ahead and jump to the ending now, because it makes everything make more sense as I continue: Superman uses the miracle machine to wish for a happy ending for everyone, Because Superman is pretty cool, but probably reads too much poetry.
So anyway, darkseid threatens to use the miracle machine to kill Superman, but Superman isn't taking Darkseid's ####, but Darkseid has already pretty much destroyed reality as we know it at this point, and along with Superman's song that shatters the vibrational frequencies seperating the multiverse, it allows Mandrakk the dark Monitor to attempt to suck this world dry of its energies.
However, the song wakes up Nix Uotan, the monitor of Earth 51, who Gets together some Superheroes to take down mandrakk (including captain carrot!), and the Green Lanterns stake the vampire.
It seems evil has been vanquished, and the world is being rebuilt...until slowly, this reality fades away and Nix wakes up in a world that may not know that these events occurred, or a world that has accepted this reality along with the reality of the multiverse.
The issue ends with Batman in a cave doing some stuff. So Batman is out there, somewhere. Perhaps he'll pull a Sonny Sumo. He already saved the world, because Batman is more than capable of doing so. However, Only Superman is capable of saving the hyperuniverse.
I won't get into why this comic is 'good' at the moment, as I'm tired of writing about final crisis, but I'll get into it later. For now, I'll just say that it's an innovative way of approaching the genre. It's certainly not a new technique as far as fiction is concerned, but compared to the slow, heavy, decompressed comics floating around, it's pretty refreshing.
The story opens on one of the other worlds of the Multiverse, where (presumeably) races have changed (I'd hate to say reversed, as that implies a binary between black and white that I don't want to establish for a variety of reasons, one of which pertains to this comic!).
Nubian Wonder Woman talks about the horn passed down by the gods in a time of great crisis (some sort of final crisis, perhaps???) before a portal opens and we see The Question recruiting the various supermen of the multiverse in an effort to stop Darkseid.
We cut to the Watchtower of the earth we're all familiar with, which is protected from the anti-life equation. However, the multiverse is collapsing thanks to darkseid, and apparently shards of these other universes contain some surprises, including the Metal Men of Earth-44, who are basically robot versions of The JLA. There's an interesting panel there with Power Girl (the sole survivor of the last time the multiverse collapsed), Starman (who is wearing a map to the multiverse, as established in Johns's JSA) and Frankenstein, a character from Seven Soldiers that plays an important role later in the story.
Anyway, the magnetic field protecting the watchtower interferes with the Metal Men of Earth-44, so the JLABots are going nuts up on the watchtower. They've wrecked the trophy room, and what the people on the station can salvage is being loaded in a rocket (this is done for posterity's sake; it appears darkseid has truly won, so this rocket is being sent out in the hopes that some day, Earth can be remembered for what it once was).
Cut to Superman confronting Darkseid. Darkseid mocks Superman, who was taken out way back when and has been dealing with the repecussions of his attempt to save Lois in Superman Beyond (and seriously, those of you who complain about not being able to read final crisis 1-7 and get every plot point...If the book says final crisis on it somewhere, and it's written by Morrison, it's probably relevant, and you should probably read it. Otherwise you're like Donny from the Big Lebowski).
Anyway, Darkseid gloats, and Superman realizes Darkseid has taken over Dan Turpin's body (Dan Turpin being a character kirby created back when he wrote New Gods and later showing up in the superboy series as a detective with the metropolis Special Crimes unit). Anyway, Superman is pretty pissed about this. Darkseid, who is in his death throes from the bullet Batman shot him with, states "There is a Black Hole where my heart should be" which will come up later, so in the meantime, remember it.
Barry Allen and the Flash Family come just in time to have The Omega Beams and the Black Racer collide with Darkseid, destroying him.
We see Superman working on the miracle machine that brainiac 5 showed him in FC #6. I'll go ahead and jump to the ending now, because it makes everything make more sense as I continue: Superman uses the miracle machine to wish for a happy ending for everyone, Because Superman is pretty cool, but probably reads too much poetry.
So anyway, darkseid threatens to use the miracle machine to kill Superman, but Superman isn't taking Darkseid's ####, but Darkseid has already pretty much destroyed reality as we know it at this point, and along with Superman's song that shatters the vibrational frequencies seperating the multiverse, it allows Mandrakk the dark Monitor to attempt to suck this world dry of its energies.
However, the song wakes up Nix Uotan, the monitor of Earth 51, who Gets together some Superheroes to take down mandrakk (including captain carrot!), and the Green Lanterns stake the vampire.
It seems evil has been vanquished, and the world is being rebuilt...until slowly, this reality fades away and Nix wakes up in a world that may not know that these events occurred, or a world that has accepted this reality along with the reality of the multiverse.
The issue ends with Batman in a cave doing some stuff. So Batman is out there, somewhere. Perhaps he'll pull a Sonny Sumo. He already saved the world, because Batman is more than capable of doing so. However, Only Superman is capable of saving the hyperuniverse.
I won't get into why this comic is 'good' at the moment, as I'm tired of writing about final crisis, but I'll get into it later. For now, I'll just say that it's an innovative way of approaching the genre. It's certainly not a new technique as far as fiction is concerned, but compared to the slow, heavy, decompressed comics floating around, it's pretty refreshing.
I'll muster a hardy "Bah!" and depart.
This pretty much sums the comic up. I still didn't enjoy it.
I'm pretty sure I enjoyed reading everyone's opinions and exchanges MUUUCH more than I enjoyed reading the actual comic.
Perhaps Morrison is a manipulative genius with a goal of angering the general readership. That way we will all rise up and let the heads of DC and Marvel know that we're done with being tossed around. The man may be a saint in the guise of a demon. With that, he also gets his revenge for not being allowed to write the stories the way he originally wanted.
Then again, mebbe he just dropped the ball on this one...
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I will say that I enjoyed issue 7 much more the second time through, giving myself more time to absorb each panel and balloon, and being forewarned about the pacing and scene shifts. But the tendency for there to be so much implicated in each panel or balloon makes the issue a bit heavy for its page count (which can tend to feel rushed). It's not awful. It's not spectacular. It is different/interesting. And to borrow from Superman Beyond, there's the 'To Be Continued...' element to register the aftershocks.
I didn't vote because I DO want to go back and re-read the whole thing, in the recommended order. However, I think there's one false assumption that everyone who HATED the series is laboring under. Lots of posts are talking about the "end" of Final Crisis as if it had to wrap up plot points. I don't think Morrison ever considered wrapping up plot points. It seems to me, from reading his interviews, that Final Crisis was never intended to be a complete story. Instead, he intended it to be a teeing up of other stories yet to be told by other writers. Final Crisis reintroduced or reinvented dozens of characters and reenvisioned the whole Kirbyverse to give it a more current style of character development. No doubt it was a challenging read, but I think, overall, it's been worth it. There's so much potential in the DCU right now. I'm pretty excited to see what more traditional storytellers do with the chaotic threads Morrison left strewn all over.
You know you didn't really add anything to the conversation, right?
Granted, you're also saying that those who don't think the story is brilliant just didn't get it, so I think I understand the kind of comic fan you are.
Yeah those that got what Grant Morrison was trying to convey thought it was f-in brilliant.
The only complaints I've heard don't appear to have understood what Morrison was going for, there's no judgment attached to that statement.
I've read many a person who says "I don't get it" , but if there is someone out there who got it that thought it was ####, I haven't heard it yet.
Yeah those that got what Grant Morrison was trying to convey thought it was f-in brilliant.
The only complaints I've heard don't appear to have understood what Morrison was going for, there's no judgment attached to that statement.
I've read many a person who says "I don't get it" , but if there is someone out there who got it that thought it was ####, I haven't heard it yet.
I've only expressed my opinion on the series a few times in the thread. I'll toss out a suggestion to you that I've tossed out to others: Hone your reading comprehension.
I don't like Final Crisis. Since you think I do, I think it's fair to say that you haven't actually read my responses.
All I've tried to do is point out to people that the story really isn't that confusing if you sit down and read it.
Furthermore, and I think it's rather silly that I have to defend myself as someone who typically doesn't like Morrison's works, I typically don't like Morrison's works. I've only ever enjoyed his JLA, New X-Men, Marvel Boy, and Seven Soldiers. Well, that and I scream for joy every time I think of Superman Beyond, but, doesn't everyone?
Again, reading comprehension, check it out.
Perhaps if you were not quite so condescending in all your responses you could get a more positive reaction to your posts.