I think it's just 'more specific' > 'less specific'.

Like line of fire.

Line of Fire is blocked < Line of fire can only be blocked by < line of fire is never blocked < line of fire cannot be drawn to.

Very good points.

The level of rules arguing about all vs unavoidable and such is just too much. It would be clear if it were explained better, but its not.

Mystics damage is NOT an attack. Hulk should ignore it.

Or the powers should be written clearer.

Stuff like this makes the game really hard to teach to newbies, though

If a a rule says that it ignores everything but X and another rule says Y cannot be ignored, then it does not matter the source, rulebook, PAC, player's guide, or character card.

If you are saying that his power supersedes the rulebook and that he ignores unavoidable damage that cannot be ignored, then Pulsewave can supersede his power and ignore his power regardless of it being unable to be ignored.

Again its not one or the other, ignores is ignores and cannot be ignored is cannot be ignored. The terms are set by the game you cannot choose which ones you want to go by and skip the others.

Except that Hulk's card specifically states that it cannot be ignored (which pulewave, a normal game effect listed in the rulebook, is built around: ignoring effects).

Hulk's card also specifically states that he ignores ALL damage except from X, when affected by Y. (X in this case being an attack, and Y being doubles)

So whether you are a judge or not, whenever Hulk would be dealt damage, ask yourself: Is this damage part of an attack? If no, then his card (which as stated in the rulebook actually SUPERCEEDS normal effects <e.g. pulsewave> as described within the rulebook) states that Hulk ignores that damage.

Whether it is unavoidable, or pushing or not. Regardless of its source, unless it is from an attack AND doubles, he ignores it.

He is the Hulk. Done. Cry and whine all you want, the game designers understood what they were dealing with, and designed a card with a power description big enough to fit a character as enormously powerful as the Hulk.

So if you really still want to debate this, ask yourself: "Who am I to be debating what can, and cannot hurt the Hulk?"

/end rant

I would go back and read all the oranges and you tell me who is arguing with game design?

No, the question is "why are you still debating this, when you've been told what the correct ruling is multiple times and have provided no compelling argument for why it should be otherwise?"

Seriously, there have been multiple rules deputies in this thread, as well as several other very good rules posters, who have all said that Hulk cannot ignore unavoidable damage, and you're continuing to argue that he does, despite all evidence to the contrary.
If you want to play it differently at your venue, you are welcome to do so. But the official ruling is quite clear: Hulk does not ignore unavoidable damage, because that damage cannot be ignored.

But your arguement seems to be trying to accomplish this very same concept of choosing "this" rule over another. Also, if pulsewave is dealing damage that is coning from an attack and the damage number is the result of a roll of doubles, then yes, it should ko this Hulk. Conversely, if either of those conditins are not met, then according to the rules of the power as written and as written in the rulebook to take precedence over the rule book itself, the damge must be ignored. All damage must be ignored. Unless the damage value comes from an attack and the attack roll was resultant in doubles.

The general rule of thumb is that a negative overrides a positive in rules interactions. Cosmic Spiderman's power that says that his line of fire cannot be blocked will work even against things that say "all lines of fire are blocked." The same thing applies with unavoidable damage and soemthing that ignores damage.

No, by you saying that ignores overrides cannot be ignored, I was showing that this would allow Pulsewaves ability to Ignore override hulks ability to not be ignored.

I was not picking and choosing, just showing the flaw in the way you were thinking...

Well its all good, he can ignore all damage except pushing, mystics, attacks resultant from doubles rolls. I think the concept if the power should actually work against the first two I listed, and I will try it out both ways to seegwhich makes the game more smooth. That's the joy of only getting to play 'clix by myself, lol.

Well, should this "rule of thumb" be made a rule then? If not, then it can, by default, be ignored from time to time. (Obviously, not in this case, as it has been ruled as such).

So, could a game effect prevent unavoidable damage? If not, shouldn't it be a golden rule, in order to show that it can never be avoided? If yes, why in particular does Hulk's power not do so? (It seems because of the Negative > Positive rule of thumb in this case).

From this rule of thumb, however, can it be construed that if the Hulk's power read "Hulk does not take any damage dealt to him unless it is dealt by an attack and the attack roll is doubles, but not a critical miss." that he would not take unavoidable damage? His power would be listed as a negative, going against another negative. I'm curious to which would win?

Once again, I'm not arguing against the ruling (that has been made abundantly clear, I'm trying to debate the game theory behind the decision.

LIMITLESS RAGE: Hulk can use Toughness. Hulk ignores all damage dealt to him unless it is dealt by an attack and the attack roll is doubles, but not a critical miss. Friendly characters cannot use Probability Control during an attack that targets Hulk. This power can't be countered or ignored.

the bolded part is about as specific as you can get imho. and as far as Mystics damage is concerned, it wouldn't affect Hulk simply because it (Mystics TA) clearly says it is NOT an attack. Same with Poison/Armor Piercing (poison is NOT an attack)
and yes PW is an attack, but unless doubles are rolled for the PW, Hulk suffers no damage. seems pretty clear to me
also...if the PW did result in doubles and Hulk wasn't the only one in range, would he actually soak the damage with his toughness? hmmmm....
sorry i didn't read the entire thread. so if i am just echoing previous comments...oops

in my own twisted little mind, this SP is telling me that the ONLY way i hurt Bruce on that last click is to

a) attack him
b) roll doubles for that attack
c) deal more than 1 damage

anything else just doesn't hurt him.

if this is all incorrect, then yea....the wording is rather ambiguous.

This is one of my biggest pet peeves. Official answers have been given in this thread, multiple times, which you would have seen if you had read the whole thing. You are wrong about mystics, as I explained in an above post--unavoidable damage cannot be ignored, so hulk cannot ignore it. That goes for any other source of unavoidable damage as well.

I went somewhat through this thread and some said Pulsewave would work some said it wouldn't. Which way is it?